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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Nov 16 8.12pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
How many German car workers depend solely on the British market,how many fruit and vegetables farmers in the Mediterranean countries depend on the British market,and you really think they want to lose all that money...grow up remainers,and that's with out the rest of the world where (admitingly) could take time will be happy to trade with us...without having to pay a big fat levy to the grotesque bloated monster that is the EU. They could find new markets like we are going to do according to Brexiteers but that isn't going to be good news to the UK businesses that trade with them now as EU partners in the short term. Still, it's only British jobs we are talking about and mostly jobs that will be on the lower end pay scale wise.
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elgrande bedford 25 Nov 16 8.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
They could find new markets like we are going to do according to Brexiteers but that isn't going to be good news to the UK businesses that trade with them now as EU partners in the short term. Still, it's only British jobs we are talking about and mostly jobs that will be on the lower end pay scale wise. Really kermits, like the one from Canada that was vetoed by one country in the EU,.
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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Nov 16 8.23pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Really kermits, like the one from Canada that was vetoed by one country in the EU,. This is what I don't get. Low wages. I thought we were supposed to have a legally binding minimum wage? The best thing we could do policy wise, and something the EU can't affect, would be to regulate the housing market via rent controls and suppressing its inflation because, let's face it, the reason a lot of people are struggling is not because of the wages it's because the housing market has been taking the financial p1ss out of them for over 20 years now.
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Stuk Top half 25 Nov 16 8.28pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I couldn't care less. But they'll probably be stubborn for a while and then realise their project is failing all the more quicker for being dicks toward us. Should they choose to go down that road.
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elgrande bedford 25 Nov 16 8.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
This is what I don't get. Low wages. I thought we were supposed to have a legally binding minimum wage? The best thing we could do policy wise, and something the EU can't affect, would be to regulate the housing market via rent controls and suppressing its inflation because, let's face it, the reason a lot of people are struggling is not because of the wages it's because the housing market has been taking the financial p1ss out of them for over 20 years now. Yeah I agree to a certain extent, but putting my lefties hate on for a moment (God I feel dirty) what is really needed is lots more social housing,now I agree with the right to buy schemes,but the stock should have been replenished, buy all parties.
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Stuk Top half 25 Nov 16 8.38pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Don't forget to f...ing factor in the extra welfare/NHS costs arising from all the (in large number elderly) expats presently getting free health care etc within the EU...and the f...ing loss of tax revenue from the EU migrants here who (on average) are less likely to be on welfare and contribute more tax revenue than the average Brit The expats who are massively outnumbered by the opposite amount, in almost every EU country, you mean? Who are more than largely self-sufficient and have insurance and no need to occupy a job a local could have. That last part is by your own argument. I've not said they should kick anyone out, have i? So how would we lose tax revenue? We can still have immigration to fill future jobs, should we need it, but we can at least then decide on the numbers rather than having no option of whether people decide to move here without a job.
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legaleagle 25 Nov 16 10.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
The expats who are massively outnumbered by the opposite amount, in almost every EU country, you mean? Who are more than largely self-sufficient and have insurance and no need to occupy a job a local could have. That last part is by your own argument. I've not said they should kick anyone out, have i? So how would we lose tax revenue? We can still have immigration to fill future jobs, should we need it, but we can at least then decide on the numbers rather than having no option of whether people decide to move here without a job. So,lets take Spain as an example in relation to your observation that Brit expats " are more than largely self-sufficient and have insurance". The Simap trade union said that non-Spanish EU nationals in Alicante, where Britons are by far the largest group, now accounted for 15% to 20% of people treated in local hospitals. "Spain's health service is quick, free and offers a wide range of services," said Dr Juan Benedito of Simaptoday. "It is not surprising that people come here." "...The biggest population of Britons, however, lives in Alicante province, along the long stretch of coast from Denia to Torrevieja. There is little glamour – and no princesses – here. Incomes are low, and the black market, English-speaking economy has attracted a legion of ill-prepared chancers trying to live off their – sometimes invented – skills as plumbers, electricians, hairdressers, gardeners, pool cleaners or labourers." ..."As the financial crisis in Spain worsens, the expat community is facing increasing problems with homelessness. A growing number of British expats living the dream in Spain are losing their jobs as a result of the financial crises and are unable to keep up their mortgage or rent payments. Every day, an average of 159 householder are evicted for non- payment of rents or mortgages, a high number of whom are either vulnerable or have dependent children. Former chef John Fraser emigrated to Spain from Inverness and was renting near Malaga, having found a jobs in a local bar. After being let go, he was unable to keep up his rental payments and is now on the streets after spending a few nights sleeping on the beach under a boat. In terms of welfare benefits,interestingly, in a majority of the richer EU countries (ie the ones where most Brit expats are) I believe there are more Brits claiming welfare there than their nationals here.. In terms of your comments about immigrants to EU,I understand your personal view about them staying (I doubt shared by anything like all Brexit voters).Whether many of the best and brightest from E Europe,so many of whom have enriched our tax base in recent years and relatively so few of whom have claimed benefits ,will choose to stay here in a climate of growing intolerance and prejudice may be another matter post Brexit.
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Stuk Top half 25 Nov 16 10.32pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
So,lets take Spain as an example in relation to your observation that Brit expats " are more than largely self-sufficient and have insurance". The Simap trade union said that non-Spanish EU nationals in Alicante, where Britons are by far the largest group, now accounted for 15% to 20% of people treated in local hospitals. "Spain's health service is quick, free and offers a wide range of services," said Dr Juan Benedito of Simaptoday. "It is not surprising that people come here." "...The biggest population of Britons, however, lives in Alicante province, along the long stretch of coast from Denia to Torrevieja. There is little glamour – and no princesses – here. Incomes are low, and the black market, English-speaking economy has attracted a legion of ill-prepared chancers trying to live off their – sometimes invented – skills as plumbers, electricians, hairdressers, gardeners, pool cleaners or labourers." ..."As the financial crisis in Spain worsens, the expat community is facing increasing problems with homelessness. A growing number of British expats living the dream in Spain are losing their jobs as a result of the financial crises and are unable to keep up their mortgage or rent payments. Every day, an average of 159 householder are evicted for non- payment of rents or mortgages, a high number of whom are either vulnerable or have dependent children. Former chef John Fraser emigrated to Spain from Inverness and was renting near Malaga, having found a jobs in a local bar. After being let go, he was unable to keep up his rental payments and is now on the streets after spending a few nights sleeping on the beach under a boat. In terms of welfare benefits,interestingly, in a majority of the richer EU countries (ie the ones where most Brit expats are) I believe there are more Brits claiming welfare there than their nationals here.. In terms of your comments about immigrants to EU,I understand your personal view about them staying (I doubt shared by anything like all Brexit voters).Whether many of the best and brightest from E Europe,so many of whom have enriched our tax base in recent years and relatively so few of whom have claimed benefits ,will choose to stay here in a climate of growing intolerance and prejudice may be another matter post Brexit. Spain is the only example. And I'll take that set of quotes from "a union" with a pinch of salt.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Nov 16 12.02am | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Spain is the only example. And I'll take that set of quotes from "a union" with a pinch of salt. Catching the zeitgeist of the 'post truth' society.
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matt_himself Matataland 26 Nov 16 6.47am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
This is what I don't get. Low wages. I thought we were supposed to have a legally binding minimum wage? The best thing we could do policy wise, and something the EU can't affect, would be to regulate the housing market via rent controls and suppressing its inflation because, let's face it, the reason a lot of people are struggling is not because of the wages it's because the housing market has been taking the financial p1ss out of them for over 20 years now. But you propose no control on property speculators or developers. Why would that be, Michael?
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matt_himself Matataland 26 Nov 16 7.23am | |
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Overseas investment in Britain is drying up:
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Nov 16 10.22am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Catching the zeitgeist of the 'post truth' society. What is this pathetic "post truth" drivel that you lefties are trying to pedal? There is and never has been any truth in politics, that's not how it works. Anyone with a mental age of more than eight knows this and knows why. It's all starting to sound very Orwellian. The only truth is your truth eh comrade.
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