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Spiderman Flag Horsham 19 Oct 23 9.23pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

We have just celebrated my granddaughter’s first birthday and, I admit to shedding a secret tear or two, thinking about what the future holds for her

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 10.59pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Where do you get those numbers from?

I was wondering the same thing.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Oct 23 1.35pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

We have just celebrated my granddaughter’s first birthday and, I admit to shedding a secret tear or two, thinking about what the future holds for her

I totally get that Spider.

We can only do our best for them.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 23 2.45pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

We have just celebrated my granddaughter’s first birthday and, I admit to shedding a secret tear or two, thinking about what the future holds for her

I have 4 grandchildren, all much older than yours, and now 4 great-grandchildren. You always worry about them as the world changes from what you once considered normal.

My grandchildren regard what they have as normal and are just getting on with their lives. They don't know anything different. For sure they would rather have this life than no life.

My children grew up during the Cold War when the threat of nuclear Armageddon was very real. We worried then about bringing them into a world headed towards disaster.

My grandchildren worry much more about the lack of seriousness given to climate change than to wars starting.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 20 Oct 23 3.44pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have 4 grandchildren, all much older than yours, and now 4 great-grandchildren. You always worry about them as the world changes from what you once considered normal.

My grandchildren regard what they have as normal and are just getting on with their lives. They don't know anything different. For sure they would rather have this life than no life.

My children grew up during the Cold War when the threat of nuclear Armageddon was very real. We worried then about bringing them into a world headed towards disaster.

My grandchildren worry much more about the lack of seriousness given to climate change than to wars starting.

I blame the parents and grandparents.

 

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Sheks Crows Eye Flag Virginia 20 Oct 23 4.27pm Send a Private Message to Sheks Crows Eye Add Sheks Crows Eye as a friend

The children aren't thinking for themselves. They are being taught what to think and how to think by low IQ Marxists who fester in the education system.

A lot of it is also social-desirability bias.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 20 Oct 23 7.01pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I do live on a tiny island, which is now experiencing the real fall out from years of insane immigration policy.

You persist with your personal attacks because you know I'm right.
You sit in your armchair splurging your moralistic mumbo jumbo and telling us that we had just better put up with the dire direction our country is taking and shut up.

I have two words for you. Can you guess what they are?

Ramblings

Absolute Pound Shop Powell

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Oct 23 8.16pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Ramblings

Absolute Pound Shop Powell

That's not an insult.

I'm full of envy.

Like being called a prophet in rags.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2023 8.19pm)

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 21 Oct 23 9.37am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Rishi Sunak visits Saudi Arabia, and seems to have been told there might be a lot of consequences of outright support for Israel.
Personally, as a human, I'm most interested in stopping the deliberate starvation of a nation-state. However you want to technically describe the situation, Israel's deliberate withholding of water, food, medical supplies etc, can be nothing short of ,...ethnic cleansing. Watching people slowly die of needless starvation or shot or bombed.
Is this how the UK dealt with the IRA, or Spain with ETA ?
I just cannot believe killing civilians this way can be in any way justified.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2023 9.38am)

 


I disengage, I turn the page.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 23 10.06am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Rishi Sunak visits Saudi Arabia, and seems to have been told there might be a lot of consequences of outright support for Israel.
Personally, as a human, I'm most interested in stopping the deliberate starvation of a nation-state. However you want to technically describe the situation, Israel's deliberate withholding of water, food, medical supplies etc, can be nothing short of ,...ethnic cleansing. Watching people slowly die of needless starvation or shot or bombed.
Is this how the UK dealt with the IRA, or Spain with ETA ?
I just cannot believe killing civilians this way can be in any way justified.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2023 9.38am)

I agree.

I am though seeing the faintest glimmers of hope in some developments today, being the eternal optimist that I am.

Firstly, I heard an Israeli spokesman suggest that their, obviously delayed, ground assault would be limited in nature and targeted at Hamas strongholds only.

Secondly, there is a summit meeting taking place between the leaders of Egypt, Jordan, the PLA and others in which ceasefire proposals will be discussed which include restarting negotiations for a two state solution.

Coincidentally I expressed my hope for both of these a day or so ago.

Israel are also saying they intend to permanently stop supplying Gaza with their energy and water once they have neutered Hamas thus cutting all connections.

With settlers in the West Bank now becoming even more aggressive in their land grabs there is a bargaining chip there too.

So maybe there is a chink of light. The US seems to have tempered the Israeli response and started the Arab nations seeking to find a way forward. If Israel can be persuaded to allow humanitarian relief in and to provide enough power and water to sustain life until other sources are built, in return for security guarantees alongside their own defences then progress to a long term solution is possible. It would have to mean the settlements being abandoned but they were always a provocation.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Oct 23 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Rishi Sunak visits Saudi Arabia, and seems to have been told there might be a lot of consequences of outright support for Israel.
Personally, as a human, I'm most interested in stopping the deliberate starvation of a nation-state. However you want to technically describe the situation, Israel's deliberate withholding of water, food, medical supplies etc, can be nothing short of ,...ethnic cleansing. Watching people slowly die of needless starvation or shot or bombed.
Is this how the UK dealt with the IRA, or Spain with ETA ?
I just cannot believe killing civilians this way can be in any way justified.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2023 9.38am)

Interesting comparison.

We most certainly would not have levelled Dublin in retaliation for IRA bombings, but then, the Irish did not invade Britain and murder, rape and mutilate women and children in a way that belongs in the dark ages.
We also didn't have designs on Irish territory and are not slap bang in the middle of a region where most of the people side with our enemy and want to kill us all.

By contrast, the Jews and Muslims despise each other with the former wishing to expand into the other's territory which just inflames the hatred that the Muslims already have.

The Jews would be at risk from their enemies what ever they had done. I don't really go along with the idea that the hatred comes from Israel's expansion. It comes from Israel's existence.

The state of Israel should never have been allowed, but since it exists and the two protagonists have no concept of peaceful coexistence, I see no way forward in terms of averting bloodshed as things stand.

You have seen what happened when there was even a hint of accord in the air.
In the long term, the migration of Palestinians to neighbouring areas might save them from future harm.

We all just hope that innocents are spared from more of the horrors that we have in recent days.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Oct 23 2.50pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

When attacks happen, like this hospital attack (though it's obviously just one attack) which becomes global highly focused news people rush to judgement.

We could ask why? Because they can't possibly know for sure. It would need experts on the ground to be certain.

As adults we all understand that each side tries to present itself as a victim and the other as the bad guy. We are all subject to their appeals to your support. Media filters and then shapes the news that gets to you.

The Israelis have far more resources with which to present this but to balance that there are far more Palestinian sympathetic media.

Both sides lie, both sides filter and try to shape your attitude.....It really is a case of trust and finding those you can.

People tend to believe whichever side they tend to support....it's normal and human nature but I think my experience with the Ukraine war has taught me that essentially both sides go full in and use the same tactics but will then turn around and claim to be the good guy.

In previous eras without the benefit of technology they could get away with that but really since the sixties the camera has allowed the truth to peer back to its audience far more effectively.

War is the death of innocence. War means children dying in rubble, war means being taken to rooms and shot to death.....senseless hatred of people they never knew. Denying children medicine.

I can never support the concept of war outside of the battlefield....which is the European way.

Blessed are the peacemakers in a world of warmongers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Oct 2023 2.52pm)

 


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