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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 24 9.28am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Would this be the approach?

...securing our borders will include:

Smashing the criminal gangs by using counter-terror style tactics, using the full force of Britain’s intelligence and policing to destroy the evil business model of human trafficking.
Deploying more police and investigators in a Cross-Border Police Unit to go after the smuggler and trafficking gangs who undermine our border security and put lives at risk.
Setting up a 1,000 strong Returns and Enforcement Unit to ensure failed asylum seekers and others with no right to be here are removed.

That reads like a Farage style policy. Is it?

It makes attractive copy. The kind of stuff populists are good at producing. Of course we ought to “smash” the criminal gangs using every tactic at our disposal. Who could possibly disagree with that? Or indeed deploying more resources at our borders, if what we have now is insufficient. Or ensuring those not entitled to be here are removed. All obvious things

The problem is not defining the desires. It’s achieving the outcomes.

We need international cooperation, primarily with our European neighbours, to successfully overcome the smuggling gangs. Brexit hasn’t helped us do that, but does anyone think we aren’t trying? It cannot be done by us alone!

If more police and border control or returns officers would help do you not think they would be employed?

The biggest point though is the simple fact that the vast majority of immigrants don’t arrive on small boats facilitated by smuggling gangs.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 09 Jun 24 9.33am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That reads like a Farage style policy. Is it?

It makes attractive copy. The kind of stuff populists are good at producing. Of course we ought to “smash” the criminal gangs using every tactic at our disposal. Who could possibly disagree with that? Or indeed deploying more resources at our borders, if what we have now is insufficient. Or ensuring those not entitled to be here are removed. All obvious things

The problem is not defining the desires. It’s achieving the outcomes.

We need international cooperation, primarily with our European neighbours, to successfully overcome the smuggling gangs. Brexit hasn’t helped us do that, but does anyone think we aren’t trying? It cannot be done by us alone!

If more police and border control or returns officers would help do you not think they would be employed?

The biggest point though is the simple fact that the vast majority of immigrants don’t arrive on small boats facilitated by smuggling gangs.

No, it isn't Farage.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 24 9.41am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

What about those immigrants not working, are they paying more tax and NI than the benefits they claim? And the housing for the immigrants and their families NOT working. How about the £9M per day simply to house the illegals that have arrived.

As for the bit about crime, I cant ever take anything you say seriously again!

I have worked in Law & Order for over 35 years and see daily, first hand, the horrendous issues that immigration (both legal & illegal) has brought to these shores. And it has got considerably worse since the ‘small boats’ started arriving in numbers.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (08 Jun 2024 11.39pm)

What anyone sees individually will never represent the whole picture. You seem, as so many do, to transfer the issues we undoubtedly have with illegal immigration onto the shoulders of the vast majority who are arriving here legally, to work and study.

They do work and pay taxes. There is no evidence they are more prone to be criminals than anyone else. In fact there is evidence of the reverse. Legal immigration has brought solutions to our shores. How can solutions be described as horrendous?

No one argues that illegal immigration isn’t an enormous problem for which no obvious solution is in sight. That though is nothing like the whole picture and we need to be clear sighted about it. We need to focus on where the problems are and not tar every immigrant with the same brush.


 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Jun 24 9.45am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That reads like a Farage style policy. Is it?

It makes attractive copy. The kind of stuff populists are good at producing. Of course we ought to “smash” the criminal gangs using every tactic at our disposal. Who could possibly disagree with that? Or indeed deploying more resources at our borders, if what we have now is insufficient. Or ensuring those not entitled to be here are removed. All obvious things

The problem is not defining the desires. It’s achieving the outcomes.

We need international cooperation, primarily with our European neighbours, to successfully overcome the smuggling gangs. Brexit hasn’t helped us do that, but does anyone think we aren’t trying? It cannot be done by us alone!

If more police and border control or returns officers would help do you not think they would be employed?

The biggest point though is the simple fact that the vast majority of immigrants don’t arrive on small boats facilitated by smuggling gangs.

The whole idea of 'smashing' gangs is pie in the sky.

Organised crime will always exist all the time money can be made.
Remove one gang and another will take its place.

We have to remove the market by making a trip to Britain undesirable. I hate to say it, but the Tories have the right idea. I said ages ago that illegals should be moved to a third place. Sending them home might be difficult so an alternative country is the best option.
The Rwanda plan is limited but it paves the way for more ambitious plans and more international consensus and cooperation.

Someone has to start the ball rolling.

Several years ago, I said that a new state should be created for illegal migrants, much like Israel was reborn for Jews.
Anyone who tries to illegally enter a European country could be sent there with no legal objections available if the ECHR woke up to the modern world and changed its attitude.
I'm sure there are plenty of unoccupied places where these people could go and the cost of setting it up would be no more painful than what we have now.

If any family members in other countries wanted to join their migrant relations, they could go there too, just like many Jews left the USA for Israel.

It all makes perfect sense. Just get the map out and find somewhere.

Unless we take radical action and soon, Europe is at risk of civil war and collapse.


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 24 9.54am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

The Danish evidence was a thorough and scientifically respected report. The one point is the report stated the blooming obvious. The other issue is that there are not enough of those reports as such analysis is condemned as racist.

And I suspect those views on here who want a high wall to all immigrants including students and French bankers are not only at odds with Farage but with basic common sense. I hope we are not talking about them.

I have not read this report, so am unable to comment. It is though just one. There are many. The problem with what seems “blooming obvious” to one person is that it often seems blooming wrong to another. Opinions are like that.

Being at odds with Farage is basic common sense. A good starting point for everything is to hear what his opinion is and take the opposite view.

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 09 Jun 24 9.55am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

No, it isn't Farage.

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Wait for a different ‘interpretation’

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 24 9.57am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The whole idea of 'smashing' gangs is pie in the sky.

Organised crime will always exist all the time money can be made.
Remove one gang and another will take it's place.

We have to remove the market by making a trip to Britain undesirable. I hate to say it, but the Tories have the right idea. I said ages ago that illegals should be moved to a third place. Sending them home might be difficult so an alternative country is the best option.
The Rwanda plan is limited but it paves the way for more ambitious plans and more international consensus and cooperation.

Someone has to start the ball rolling.

Several years ago, I said that a new state should be created for illegal migrants, much like Israel was reborn for Jews.
Anyone who tries to illegally enter a European country could be sent there with no legal objections available if the ECHR woke up to the modern world and changed its attitude.
I'm sure there are plenty of unoccupied places where these people could go and the cost of setting it up would be no more painful than what we have now.

If any family members in other countries wanted to join their migrant relations, they could go there too, just like many Jews left the USA for Israel.

It all makes perfect sense. Just get the map out and find somewhere.

Unless we take radical action and soon, Europe is at risk of civil war and collapse.

So create a new “Palestine” somewhere?

That’s worked out well.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So create a new “Palestine” somewhere?

That’s worked out well.

Israel has been a disaster.

Who would have guessed that putting Jews among a load of Arabs might be a problem?

This time round, we would not have the emotional pressure of 6 million people being murdered and far more options as to where to put the pin on the map.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 24 10.05am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

No, it isn't Farage.

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Your summary sounded like him. Whilst the whole is rather more nuanced it is still just political click bait during an election.

Something I disregard at all times and will be by Labour quite quickly too when they face the realities.

The only way to solve the problem is by coordinated international action.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Your summary sounded like him. Whilst the whole is rather more nuanced it is still just political click bait during an election.

Something I disregard at all times and will be by Labour quite quickly too when they face the realities.

The only way to solve the problem is by coordinated international action.

Spot on, but someone has to lead the way.

Brexit has allowed Britain to take a lead. Before long, everyone will realise that a Rwanda style policy is needed, if they haven't already.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 24 10.09am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Israel has been a disaster.

Who would have guessed that putting Jews among a load of Arabs might be a problem?

This time round, we would not have the emotional pressure of 6 million people being murdered and far more options as to where to put the pin on the map.

I’d be interested where you think those options exist and just how you will get the current sovereign state to agree let alone the present inhabitants to put out a welcome mat.

Or are you thinking of an uninhabited area somewhere. They are usually uninhabited for good reasons.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I’d be interested where you think those options exist and just how you will get the current sovereign state to agree let alone the present inhabitants to put out a welcome mat.

Or are you thinking of an uninhabited area somewhere. They are usually uninhabited for good reasons.

Despite its huge numbers, Humanity only occupies a tiny part of the globe.
I am certain that there are areas of the world that could be used if the will is there. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Of course, we could always be centrist and negative like you and dither along for years while Europe is over run by our enemies.

 

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