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Davepalace707 Northumberland 17 Aug 21 9.46am | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
PV wasn't asked about the make up of the squad, he was asked specifically about the team's performance, he instead said that new players were still needed - he could have been more tactful and mentioned that many of the new buys (and others like Eze) were unavailable or not up to speed fitness wise. So I'd agree with Danny Kelly that it was strange to emphasise lack of players when PV has been so well backed so far. There is a strong suggestion in his words that the players he has can't play the way he thinks the game should be played. I didn't seem the game but Simon Jordan tried to be diplomatic on Talksport yesterday but gave his honest view that it was the worst performance he'd seen in years from a Palace side, we lacked quality, effort and ambition acc to SJ. I'll be backing PV all the way - he needs to be given till Christmas before he is seriously judged imho, but I was a little perturbed by his comments. It wasn’t a great performance but I wonder if SJ missed the corresponding 4-0 thrashing last season, I remember looking clueless in that game for 90 minutes. Doesn’t surprise me that SJ is quick to criticise Vierra.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 17 Aug 21 10.26am | |
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Originally posted by Davepalace707
It wasn’t a great performance but I wonder if SJ missed the corresponding 4-0 thrashing last season, I remember looking clueless in that game for 90 minutes. Doesn’t surprise me that SJ is quick to criticise Vierra. There were some similarities with last season's game. First of all, we were defending well under pressure until we got punished for a defensive error. We offered very little going forward. Our best moments on Saturday came after the game was beyond us. Overall the players were too passive. I don't see a real Leader in the group. I realise how good Chelsea are, but we didn't compete - simply put we were too nice and easy to play against. I wasn't in the least bit surprised by the result or the scoreline, but I was disappointed with the level of performance, although I don't agree with SJ's comments - he clearly didn't see Burnley at home last season !
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Painter Croydon 17 Aug 21 10.27am | |
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Originally posted by MonsterMunch
This true - yet its still 'only' 3 new additions/ players (not inc Mattews as we'll never see him). He is right to say we still need more players. He would be a fool not to think that. We are still very short in the squad imo. People will try to make comment and find fault on everything these days. The big problem for Palace is they are working to a budget on transfers, which makes it far more difficult. A lot of work goes into selecting the right players within their means.
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Midlands Eagle 17 Aug 21 10.53am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I've run out so please send me some more
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CrazyBadger Ware 17 Aug 21 11.17am | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
I think PV said a couple of interesting things at the weekend. Both of which he's perfectly entitled to say, and both of which I think are accurate. The first being that the young players that he named in the squad on Saturday aren't ready for that level of football yet on a regular basis. Second being the need to sign more players - that are ready and can immediately compete at Premier League level. Interesting that the youngsters on The bench were Hannam, Banks, Street and Rak-Sakyi Of those, Rak-Sakyi got on the pitch, so we may assume that he's 'ready'?
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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 17 Aug 21 11.27am | |
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Viera is experienced enough to know that you cant win anything with kids.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 17 Aug 21 11.57am | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
Interesting that the youngsters on The bench were Hannam, Banks, Street and Rak-Sakyi Of those, Rak-Sakyi got on the pitch, so we may assume that he's 'ready'? Of the four you mention, I think Rak-Sakyi is the ' closest ' without necessarily being ready. He certainly looked comfortable when he was introduced on Saturday. Banks looks promising but I think he's not near enough to the required level. Street looks raw. Quite a physical player but doesn't look like an out and out goalscorer. Reminds me of a young Dave Swindlehurst actually. Hannam is going though one of those spells that young players do. Needs to play through it but not in the First Team.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Aug 21 1.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I've run out so please send me some more Perhaps you should re-live your youthful exuberance and try some 'Wild Oats' for a change.
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Putitout Oxford 17 Aug 21 2.06pm | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
Interesting that the youngsters on The bench were Hannam, Banks, Street and Rak-Sakyi Of those, Rak-Sakyi got on the pitch, so we may assume that he's 'ready'?
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ex hibitionist Hastings 17 Aug 21 2.17pm | |
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Eze, Olise and Gallagher were all unavailable - we need at least a couple more players sure, but I'd have thought the reintroduction of what is already here would be enough, certainly where our midfield is concerned. The full back and attacking positions are still a bit light but not particularly deficient (Zaha, Benteke, Ayew, Mateta is not a bad selection, with Schlupp as back up - if Ferguson is not going to be fit soon then we do need another full back, esp on the left side to compete with Mitchell). So I think the emphasis on our weak squad could have been put in a better light - players returning as much as new players will make the difference we want to see.
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Kant exeter 17 Aug 21 2.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Why is it irresponsible? When asked the question should he have lied, waffled about nothing in particular or just said "I'm sure that Steve and Doug are working hard" just as Hodgson used to do By making that assertion in public the manager runs the risk of 1. Undermining our negotiating position with potential selling clubs and players. 2. Annoying the board who may interpret it as an open criticism. 3. Alienating the current playing staff who are deemed not good enough. Perhaps a more considered approach would have been to make those points to SP in private. I suspect it was because RH understood the need for diplomacy that he enjoyed such a long and distinguished career. It might not make for great tele, but i’d prefer anodyne waffle over the awkward truth every day, if that’s the best thing for the club. The only circumstances I can see in which a manager might go public with such a view is if he has already made the point privately without effect and feels he needs to put pressure on the decision makers to change their mind. If that is what was behind PV’s comment then it really is worrying. My hunch however is that it was an ill advised comment by an inexperienced manager looking to save face after a very poor performance.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Aug 21 3.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Kant
By making that assertion in public the manager runs the risk of 1. Undermining our negotiating position with potential selling clubs and players. 2. Annoying the board who may interpret it as an open criticism. 3. Alienating the current playing staff who are deemed not good enough. Perhaps a more considered approach would have been to make those points to SP in private. I suspect it was because RH understood the need for diplomacy that he enjoyed such a long and distinguished career. It might not make for great tele, but i’d prefer anodyne waffle over the awkward truth every day, if that’s the best thing for the club. The only circumstances I can see in which a manager might go public with such a view is if he has already made the point privately without effect and feels he needs to put pressure on the decision makers to change their mind. If that is what was behind PV’s comment then it really is worrying. My hunch however is that it was an ill advised comment by an inexperienced manager looking to save face after a very poor performance. I would not deem him "Inexperienced" given that he has been a manager for 180 games.
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