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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 06 Oct 17 10.25am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I will not do a 'Gusset' by trawling the Internet for sites but can inform you that Labour, now engaged in a virulent class war is totally and utterly wrong when it claims the gap between rich and poor has widened.

According to the independent 'Institute for Fiscal Studies' the gap has narrowed over the past decade, particularly in London this is because the Conservatives have given tax cuts to the poorly paid so that many, many don't pay Income Tax at all.

Got to go out now with my wife prior to attending the CPF.


Edited by Willo (06 Oct 2017 10.07am)

Latest IFS release:

The national picture

Average (median) income in 2015–16 (the latest data available) was only 3.7% higher than before the recession (2007–0. With real wages currently falling and working age benefits and tax credits being cut, income growth since then is likely to have been very weak.

Evidence from data on employees’ earnings shows that those towards the very top (99th percentile) have been harder hit than those at the middle (median). Earnings at the 99th percentile are still around 10% below their pre-crisis level, compared with a 5% fall at the median. However, it should be noted that it is hard to track how the household incomes of the very richest have been changing.

Absolute poverty (according to the official government measure) has changed little over the last decade. This lack of progress is historically unusual and reflects the more general lack of real income growth. It follows especially large reductions in poverty over the preceding decade as the incomes of low-income households grew strongly.


So basically, the Tories have failed on absolute poverty, and the "success" in any reduction in inequality is due to the richest having had their earnings suppressed by the GFC and its after effects and are in spite of the fact that real wages are currently falling and wage growth for a DECADE has been very week.

So in summary the Tory strategy has been to make everyone worse off but allow the GFC to make the richest the most worse off. London has the most reduced inequality due to having had the most very high earners over the past 10 years. Your conclusion is bogus.

This is not a policy success story. It's a mask for failure.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 06 Oct 17 10.27am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

There was nothing noticeable and if the rest of the Tory party think like you that those 3 miniscule policies are worthy of leadership then you're mistaken. The 5,000 annual housing and student debt policies are so pathetic they may as well not bother.

I didn't notice any vision and I haven't heard any commentators mentioning one either. David Mellor tore right into her yesterday. She blew it.

This is a very good point. She's bereft of any really policy ideas due to her terribly weak position. At least the coalition had policies, even if you didn't like them.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Oct 17 10.34am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

This is a very good point. She's bereft of any really policy ideas due to her terribly weak position. At least the coalition had policies, even if you didn't like them.

The cabinet maybe haven't cooperated with innovative ideas like previous cabinets, possibly due to her failures and uncertain future. Or if they really are willing to let her ride out Brexit, she just isn't a leader of a team and getting down to policy drafting doesn't happen. So not a country leader or leader of people with her cold nature. Perfect.

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 06 Oct 17 10.37am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


The more relevant point is why did it happen to May and not to Corbyn?


That's a fair shout, and it's more than likely to do with the 'supporters' of other Parties being more respectful than those of Labour; choosing to debate their point of views rather than shout, embarrass those they disagree with as they find it hard to debate their point effectively...like in the school playground I guess.

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 06 Oct 17 10.39am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

She does, but it just adds to all the other shortcomings. You know, virtually no policies. Or policies already released, or copied from Labour.


Copying policies doesn't matter if they're the correct policies...afterall that's exactly how Blair got in...whether these policies are the correct ones though I guess is up for debate.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Oct 17 10.47am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550


Copying policies doesn't matter if they're the correct policies...afterall that's exactly how Blair got in...whether these policies are the correct ones though I guess is up for debate.

I agree with that. I didn't actually mind when early on when nearly every policy had been pinched from Labour or they backtracked on after realising it couldn't happen, although that was happening a bit too often. The self employed NI changes was an epic c0ck up and misunderstanding or p1ss take of some of her core vote.

The problem this time is 3 policies. 2 of them pathetic and one of them Labour's, and dismissed by the Tories when Ed Miliband came out with it.

She either doesn't have the credentials to do anything or she thinks just Brexit will do.

 


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npn Flag Crowborough 06 Oct 17 10.49am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550


That's a fair shout, and it's more than likely to do with the 'supporters' of other Parties being more respectful than those of Labour; choosing to debate their point of views rather than shout, embarrass those they disagree with as they find it hard to debate their point effectively...like in the school playground I guess.

Sadly you just need to watch Question Time or listen to Any Questions to see that in action

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Oct 17 10.56am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Didn't anyone on here find Paul Kaye's Dennis Pennis funny? Just the same.

She won't be going because of the piece of paper and she won't be the only politician and leader to have to deal with that kind of prank. If people have enough of Labour after 7 years with a useless PM they'll face it too.

 


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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 06 Oct 17 11.09am Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


The more relevant point is why did it happen to May and not to Corbyn?

There were far too many idiots in the conference hall already so he could not get in to give Corbyn his P45!

 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 06 Oct 17 11.26am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It happened because she's in a precarious position without the authority of a PM. If Corbyn was making a hash of it, which he might, he'd be taken the p1ss out of (more).

She's more of a fool than he is if she thinks that waste of time on Wednesday was credible even for a conference under no pressure.

She's useless. Corbyn may (probably will in my view) try to take on too many issues we can't afford. But at least there's substance.

Are you being ironic ?

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Oct 17 12.03pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

1. Isnt it annoying when somebody sees what one person does and then says the whole party is like that when it blatantly not true (See your last sentence for an example)
2. Her being racist is the fault of multiculturalism ? Really

Are you still using that reductionism?

Prejudice is about associating certain behavior with certain groups. It is a perception which is sometimes based on ignorance but often on experience. It is a self preserving, self serving mechanism which everyone has.

Get over it.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Oct 17 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh

Are you being ironic ?

I call policies and a vision, substance. YOU may not like it or think it's feasible, and I fear too much too soon will happen, but it has substance.

What do you call next to nothing and not much improvement on 'strong and stable'?

 


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