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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 23 2.19pm | |
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The only person who will stop Trump from running is Trump. If he is found guilty and as a consequence disbarred, which is by no means a certainty, then it will be entirely his own fault. If you don't want to face the law, don't break the law. It's not complicated. The idea that Trump is being politically persecuted is transparent nonsense. Politics are not involved. They would be if any administration, Republican or Democrat, decided not to prosecute Trump because of who he is. That though seems not to matter to those who have been convinced, beyond the slightest doubt, that this is all the fault of the Democrats, when the only thing they could be accused of is managing the timing. All this does is show just how unfit for purpose the whole US system has become. Trust has disappeared and it's now tribal warfare. The sooner we break our overreliance on them and turn back towards Europe the better for us.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Nov 23 5.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The only person who will stop Trump from running is Trump. If he is found guilty and as a consequence disbarred, which is by no means a certainty, then it will be entirely his own fault. If you don't want to face the law, don't break the law. It's not complicated. The idea that Trump is being politically persecuted is transparent nonsense. Politics are not involved. They would be if any administration, Republican or Democrat, decided not to prosecute Trump because of who he is. That though seems not to matter to those who have been convinced, beyond the slightest doubt, that this is all the fault of the Democrats, when the only thing they could be accused of is managing the timing. All this does is show just how unfit for purpose the whole US system has become. Trust has disappeared and it's now tribal warfare. The sooner we break our overreliance on them and turn back towards Europe the better for us. The current case is a Civil case isn't it? Basically a determination of owing money to the bank due to lying and therefore getting cheaper interest rates? It's not a criminal case nor will disbar him from office. I guess he could lose the ability to be a Company Director in certain states - in which case someone else would do it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 23 6.49pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
The current case is a Civil case isn't it? Basically a determination of owing money to the bank due to lying and therefore getting cheaper interest rates? It's not a criminal case nor will disbar him from office. I guess he could lose the ability to be a Company Director in certain states - in which case someone else would do it. This one won’t see him either in jail or disbarred. The others thought might, especially the first due in March in Georgia regarding his responsibilty for the Jan 6th events.
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Stirlingsays 07 Nov 23 11.57pm | |
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Anyone who thinks that Trump is any worse than any major business person in the US isn't a serious person. Anyone who thinks that it's ok for a political demographic to stop someone running for political office who isn't pushing a violent ideology is also not democratic. The Democrats use lawfare to prosecute Trump and anyone who helps him. That's what banana republics do. It's directly encouraging violence and any responsible party wouldn't condone this unprecedented behaviour....indeed what we are seeing is an insult to the foundations of what America was meant to be. Because of these actions I fear....in fact I'm sure a rubicon has been crossed, it's just to what extent. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Nov 2023 12.09am)
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Stirlingsays 08 Nov 23 12.03am | |
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More from PJW on the trans shooter cover up and subsequent leak.
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Teddy Eagle 08 Nov 23 7.35am | |
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Nov 23 8.27am | |
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This is only a right wing view of the polls discussed a couple of days ago. See my post at 10.44 on the 8th.
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Stirlingsays 08 Nov 23 8.29am | |
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Trump deserves a second term if only for the sheer criminality of the persecutions and lawfare the Democrats have used against him and his support base. I think this time he'll clear them out. However, it needs to be a fair election and not what happened last time. [Tweet Link]
Also here is CIA Chief James Woolsey admitting to US interference in foreign elections to get the result they want. [Tweet Link]
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Nov 23 8.50am | |
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Anyone who thinks Trump isn’t unique in his unsuitability for high office, whatever his background might be, isn’t a serious person. In fact there are many business people who have much better ethical and moral attitudes than Trump. Trump’s are more akin to those of a mobster than a business person. Nevertheless it is, of course, undemocratic for anyone to be stopped from running for office simply because of that. So it’s good to know it isn’t happening. Just because Trump and his myopic supporters think the prosecutions are politically motivated doesn’t mean they are. Nor does it mean that guilt or innocence will be found by politicians. Most will be determined by a jury, one by a Judge. The way the Republican Party has morphed into this monster of unrequited stupidity is sad to see. It used to hold high values of freedom, independence, hard work and patriotism whilst recognising the USA’s success brought with it a heavy responsibility to lead and protect the world. Now it is self obsessed, small minded and inward looking. That some Republicans also see and oppose that is gratifying but whether enough do to save it from ultimately collapsing is questionable. Trump will be gone. If not in 2024 then not too much later. The implosion will start then.
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Teddy Eagle 08 Nov 23 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This is only a right wing view of the polls discussed a couple of days ago. See my post at 10.44 on the 8th. Whether it's right wing, left wing or chicken wing the figures are there to see. Interpret them how you choose but that doesn't alter the fact that his policies chime more with working class America than Biden's.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Nov 23 10.44am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Whether it's right wing, left wing or chicken wing the figures are there to see. Interpret them how you choose but that doesn't alter the fact that his policies chime more with working class America than Biden's. Strange isn’t it that here the “working class” formed the Labour Party to represent them and democratically challenge the privileged, adopting socialist principles to do so. Yet in the mixed up USA they turn to the insular, selfish and half crazy Trump as their saviour. Someone who is as far from them as it is possible to be. For me this only confirms just how broken US politics has become. Their value judgements are not based on realities but on tribal prejudices. I first realised this when I was regularly in the company of Americans during Obama’s presidency. Their attitude to him was openly racist and didn’t match anything we thought in the UK. It was shocking to hear. The same gulf remains. Trump’s approval rating in the UK is overwhelmingly negative, way down in the low teens. Yet in the USA what seemed to us to be unforgivable, undemocratic behaviour is brushed aside. These are strange days.
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BrentisBack Beckenham 08 Nov 23 12.59pm | |
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Can't believe how much the politics section has descenced into the right wing conspiracy theory realms. It's been pretty scary reading over the past year or so.
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