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 npn  Crowborough 25 Nov 16 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think that taxes will have to rise given brexit and the massive public debt the country has. For brexit it would be fair for the brexiteers to pay for it through a brexit tax collected by HMRC but not by remain voters as that would be taxation without representation. The brexiteers are enjoying the damage they are causing and its fair IMO that they should pay for it all. I assume you will feel the same if they manage to force through another referendum and get the result they want, so only remainers will pay the 350m a week to be EU members? Just to clarify, I didn't vote to leave, but I find all this "well I didn't vote for it so I shouldn't have to pay" stuff laughable. I assume you would also back the hard right's pleas to not pay anything towards the support of immigrants, for instance?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Nov 16 3.30pm |
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Originally posted by npn
I assume you will feel the same if they manage to force through another referendum and get the result they want, so only remainers will pay the 350m a week to be EU members? Just to clarify, I didn't vote to leave, but I find all this "well I didn't vote for it so I shouldn't have to pay" stuff laughable. I assume you would also back the hard right's pleas to not pay anything towards the support of immigrants, for instance? I'm not against the idea of a second referendum - provided its put to a general election. It seems unfair to have had to have a referendum as an election promise, but then to have a second referendum without that. I think we'll see at least one party benefit from having a 'second EU referendum' in their manifesto (probably the Greens). But we can't just have a referendum because 'the outcome' wasn't positive. It was close, but as they say, close is no cigar.
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| Stuk Top half 25 Nov 16 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'm not against the idea of a second referendum - provided its put to a general election. It seems unfair to have had to have a referendum as an election promise, but then to have a second referendum without that. I think we'll see at least one party benefit from having a 'second EU referendum' in their manifesto (probably the Greens). But we can't just have a referendum because 'the outcome' wasn't positive. It was close, but as they say, close is no cigar. They could put free money for everyone in their manifesto and it wouldn't matter a jot.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Nov 16 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It would have been entirely reasonable to vote on the premise that the Tories/right-wing will hold power and policy for the next decade pre- during and after Brexit. No way would I trust that lot to look out for the poorer members of society and no chance would I trust then not to unravel some safeguards enacted through the Social Charter disguised as 'helping the needy' That's democracy for you (or at least the b******ised crooked stacked system we call democracy). I wouldn't right off labour, I see a lot of similarities between Corbyn and Trump in terms of the outsider / anti-establishment candidate. He's got three or four years to really appeal to that working class and alienated vote.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Nov 16 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
They could put free money for everyone in their manifesto and it wouldn't matter a jot. It would to them, they could pick up a lot of support from that Remain camp if they were the only party. The Greens, if they can angle themselves right, could very easily become the alt.UKIP
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Nov 16 3.35pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think that taxes will have to rise given brexit and the massive public debt the country has. For brexit it would be fair for the brexiteers to pay for it through a brexit tax collected by HMRC but not by remain voters as that would be taxation without representation. The brexiteers are enjoying the damage they are causing and its fair IMO that they should pay for it all. Taxes need to rise about 16-20 years ago.
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| Stuk Top half 25 Nov 16 3.40pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
It would to them, they could pick up a lot of support from that Remain camp if they were the only party. The Greens, if they can angle themselves right, could very easily become the alt.UKIP Not a chance. They couldn't even run a small council in hippyville, where their only MP is. I believe the irrelevance that are the Lib dems have stolen that march already too.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Nov 16 3.55pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Not as great as they would have been if we'd done it twenty years ago, but there will be plenty if arseholes stop trying to circumvent the democratic vote and we can ever carry it out. Go on then, what positives? all Leavers seem to do os talk about what remainers ate saying.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 25 Nov 16 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Go on then, what positives? all Leavers seem to do os talk about what remainers ate saying. What are you on about now? Some in your moronic party still asking for a second referendum is just embarrassing. Even when the chancellor does a U turn on austerity and starts borrowing, all your lot can do is promise to borrow even more. You are dead and buried. Maybe Tony Blair will come back and form New New Labour and that will be curtains for your lot.
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| Stuk Top half 25 Nov 16 4.17pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Go on then, what positives? all Leavers seem to do os talk about what remainers ate saying. Reducing net migration, welfare costs and NHS costs just for a start. Not to mention the money wasted on the EU itself and the cronies within it. Edited by Stuk (25 Nov 2016 4.18pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Nov 16 4.28pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What are you on about now? Some in your moronic party still asking for a second referendum is just embarrassing. Even when the chancellor does a U turn on austerity and starts borrowing, all your lot can do is promise to borrow even more. You are dead and buried. Maybe Tony Blair will come back and form New New Labour and that will be curtains for your lot. No answer. Disparaging remarks about the Labour party, but no answer. Always the same.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Nov 16 4.34pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Reducing net migration, welfare costs and NHS costs just for a start. Not to mention the money wasted on the EU itself and the cronies within it. Edited by Stuk (25 Nov 2016 4.18pm) How will you reduce migration, given that trade deals will probably hinge on it. You voted to leave the EU so welfare payments can be reduced. Are you referring to the immigrants that simultaneously cream off benefits whilst taking our jobs? Don't get me wrong, I want brexit to work, I don't think anyone wants it to go tits up to say told you so. But I haven't seen anything positive about it yet. Edited by nickgusset (25 Nov 2016 4.37pm)
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