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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 9.59am
Originally posted by Spiderman This is probably true but they are not English which is what Teddy stated, in fact many, whilst holding a UK passport have dual nationality and still class the selves as Indian/pakistani etc Edited by Spiderman (11 Apr 2023 10.37pm) Dual nationality isn't new, and it doesn't change anyone's legal rights to access all the same benefits you and I do. Some people here regard themselves as Cornish, just as others regard themselves as English, Welsh or Scottish. Doesn't matter. Everyone who lives on these islands who was born, or has become, a citizen, is British. They can regard themselves in whichever way they want. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 9.59am

Originally posted by Spiderman

This is probably true but they are not English which is what Teddy stated, in fact many, whilst holding a UK passport have dual nationality and still class the selves as Indian/pakistani etc

Edited by Spiderman (11 Apr 2023 10.37pm)

Dual nationality isn't new, and it doesn't change anyone's legal rights to access all the same benefits you and I do.

Some people here regard themselves as Cornish, just as others regard themselves as English, Welsh or Scottish. Doesn't matter. Everyone who lives on these islands who was born, or has become, a citizen, is British. They can regard themselves in whichever way they want.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Apr 23 10.06am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Dual nationality isn't new, and it doesn't change anyone's legal rights to access all the same benefits you and I do. Some people here regard themselves as Cornish, just as others regard themselves as English, Welsh or Scottish. Doesn't matter. Everyone who lives on these islands who was born, or has become, a citizen, is British. They can regard themselves in whichever way they want. Talking about what people describe themselves as or what they are entitled to have nothing to do with the replacement of a population. You seem to be confused. Or maybe just desperate to hide the truth. All that matters are the actual facts about demographic change.
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12 Apr 23 10.06am

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Dual nationality isn't new, and it doesn't change anyone's legal rights to access all the same benefits you and I do.

Talking about what people describe themselves as or what they are entitled to have nothing to do with the replacement of a population.

You seem to be confused. Or maybe just desperate to hide the truth.
All that matters are the actual facts about demographic change.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 10.14am
Originally posted by georgenorman Your attitude is one reason people want to come here - because of your virtues. Then some of those who come here start to abuse those virtues, insult you and complain because your country does not sufficiently resemble the country that they left. You then concede on point after point - like the signs pointing in the direction of Mecca that have been put up on Peak District hiking routes because the countryside is considered 'racist' and they want to encourage Muslim hikers (look out for overly large backpacks). What you describe is a problem of assimilation. I have no problem with people valuing their heritage but if they choose to live here then they need to also accept our way of life. We have not been firm enough in explaining that to new arrivals or in doing enough to ensure they learn it. That is our fault. Not theirs. As I have said before I want religion, all religion, to be made an essentially private matter and removed from public life, including schools. So no sign posts anywhere pointing to either Jerusalem or Mecca! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 10.14am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Your attitude is one reason people want to come here - because of your virtues. Then some of those who come here start to abuse those virtues, insult you and complain because your country does not sufficiently resemble the country that they left. You then concede on point after point - like the signs pointing in the direction of Mecca that have been put up on Peak District hiking routes because the countryside is considered 'racist' and they want to encourage Muslim hikers (look out for overly large backpacks).

What you describe is a problem of assimilation. I have no problem with people valuing their heritage but if they choose to live here then they need to also accept our way of life. We have not been firm enough in explaining that to new arrivals or in doing enough to ensure they learn it. That is our fault. Not theirs.

As I have said before I want religion, all religion, to be made an essentially private matter and removed from public life, including schools. So no sign posts anywhere pointing to either Jerusalem or Mecca!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 10.25am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Parody alert. Why exactly? Are you scared that definitions will expose the real truth of what is happening to this population? Of course you are. The only conclusion I can draw after looking at all the evidence is that anyone dismissing an obvious trend with an obvious outcome as a White supremacist conspiracy must be clinically bonkers. For the blindingly obvious reason that the data wasn't intended for us, or for the kind of purpose you want to use it for. The "real truth" that you see isn't true at all, for reasons I have patiently and repeatedly explained. There is no "obvious trend" with an "obvious" outcome other than in the minds of those with a prejudicial agenda. You have only to open your eyes and ears to realise that it won't be true. The only thing that is truly obvious is that it is a white supremacist conspiracy theory. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 10.25am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Parody alert.

Why exactly? Are you scared that definitions will expose the real truth of what is happening to this population?

Of course you are.

The only conclusion I can draw after looking at all the evidence is that anyone dismissing an obvious trend with an obvious outcome as a White supremacist conspiracy must be clinically bonkers.

For the blindingly obvious reason that the data wasn't intended for us, or for the kind of purpose you want to use it for.

The "real truth" that you see isn't true at all, for reasons I have patiently and repeatedly explained.

There is no "obvious trend" with an "obvious" outcome other than in the minds of those with a prejudicial agenda. You have only to open your eyes and ears to realise that it won't be true. The only thing that is truly obvious is that it is a white supremacist conspiracy theory.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 10.35am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Talking about what people describe themselves as or what they are entitled to have nothing to do with the replacement of a population. You seem to be confused. Or maybe just desperate to hide the truth. All that matters are the actual facts about demographic change. It's you who are confused! Of course how people describe themselves, or what they are entitled, to have nothing to do with the replacement of a population. Why could it? This is a non issue, because the second part is a fantasy. There is no population being replaced. That's just a stupid conspiracy theory based on crude mathematics without the application of common sense and the impact of change over time. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 10.35am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Talking about what people describe themselves as or what they are entitled to have nothing to do with the replacement of a population.

You seem to be confused. Or maybe just desperate to hide the truth.
All that matters are the actual facts about demographic change.

It's you who are confused!

Of course how people describe themselves, or what they are entitled, to have nothing to do with the replacement of a population. Why could it?

This is a non issue, because the second part is a fantasy. There is no population being replaced. That's just a stupid conspiracy theory based on crude mathematics without the application of common sense and the impact of change over time.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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georgenorman 12 Apr 23 10.46am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What you describe is a problem of assimilation. I have no problem with people valuing their heritage but if they choose to live here then they need to also accept our way of life. We have not been firm enough in explaining that to new arrivals or in doing enough to ensure they learn it. That is our fault. Not theirs. As I have said before I want religion, all religion, to be made an essentially private matter and removed from public life, including schools. So no sign posts anywhere pointing to either Jerusalem or Mecca! If Muslims are now being attracted to hiking in the Peak District, perhaps there should be sign posts in Mecca pointing to the Peak District?
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12 Apr 23 10.46am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If Muslims are now being attracted to hiking in the Peak District, perhaps there should be sign posts in Mecca pointing to the Peak District?

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Teddy Eagle 12 Apr 23 10.50am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't know what the Chinese immigration laws produce in terms of legal status. I only know that those on the 5-year route can become British in the UK. Whether they (or you), regard themselves as English, Welsh, Scottish or any other personal identification label is irrelevant. They are now British. This is pointless distraction. As usual having disputed the facts, source and rationale we've ended up far from the original point which is that there as been mass immigration into Britain. The two largest cities in Britain now have a majority of people living in them who were not indigenous. Regardless of logic chopping about legal status where did those people come from?
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Teddy Eagle

12 Apr 23 10.50am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't know what the Chinese immigration laws produce in terms of legal status. I only know that those on the 5-year route can become British in the UK. Whether they (or you), regard themselves as English, Welsh, Scottish or any other personal identification label is irrelevant. They are now British.

This is pointless distraction. As usual having disputed the facts, source and rationale we've ended up far from the original point which is that there as been mass immigration into Britain. The two largest cities in Britain now have a majority of people living in them who were not indigenous. Regardless of logic chopping about legal status where did those people come from?

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Teddy Eagle 12 Apr 23 10.53am
Originally posted by georgenorman Your attitude is one reason people want to come here - because of your virtues. Then some of those who come here start to abuse those virtues, insult you and complain because your country does not sufficiently resemble the country that they left. You then concede on point after point - like the signs pointing in the direction of Mecca that have been put up on Peak District hiking routes because the countryside is considered 'racist' and they want to encourage Muslim hikers (look out for overly large backpacks). Wouldn't you think anyone going hiking would take a compass?
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Teddy Eagle

12 Apr 23 10.53am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Wouldn't you think anyone going hiking would take a compass?

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Teddy Eagle 12 Apr 23 10.58am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It's you who are confused! Of course how people describe themselves, or what they are entitled, to have nothing to do with the replacement of a population. Why could it? This is a non issue, because the second part is a fantasy. There is no population being replaced. That's just a stupid conspiracy theory based on crude mathematics without the application of common sense and the impact of change over time. Tell that to Cornish people moaning about housing shortages due to holiday home ownership. They're proudly defending their culture and heritage but Londoners facing housing problems are right wing extremists.
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Teddy Eagle

12 Apr 23 10.58am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's you who are confused!

Of course how people describe themselves, or what they are entitled, to have nothing to do with the replacement of a population. Why could it?

Tell that to Cornish people moaning about housing shortages due to holiday home ownership. They're proudly defending their culture and heritage but Londoners facing housing problems are right wing extremists.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Apr 23 11.03am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle For the blindingly obvious reason that the data wasn't intended for us, or for the kind of purpose you want to use it for. The "real truth" that you see isn't true at all, for reasons I have patiently and repeatedly explained. There is no "obvious trend" with an "obvious" outcome other than in the minds of those with a prejudicial agenda. You have only to open your eyes and ears to realise that it won't be true. The only thing that is truly obvious is that it is a white supremacist conspiracy theory. You can argue with me all you like, but you can't argue with statistical facts. I'm still waiting for you to explain why only 74.4% of the population now describe themselves as White British after a period of around 70 years of significant immigration. One lifetime. Only 43.4% in our own capital. That is a quarter of the population who came from somewhere else in one lifetime. Immigration has been the driving force behind population increase since the nineties. The existing population consists largely of people who are beyond child rearing age. It is immigrants who are boosting the birth rate above negative. It doesn't take an expert to see how this will play out. Only a blind fool denies what is in front of them. No one wants to talk about it because deniers of truth like you would try to tarnish their reputations, as you regularly attempt on here. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Apr 2023 11.06am)
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Hrolf The Ganger

12 Apr 23 11.03am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For the blindingly obvious reason that the data wasn't intended for us, or for the kind of purpose you want to use it for.

The "real truth" that you see isn't true at all, for reasons I have patiently and repeatedly explained.

You can argue with me all you like, but you can't argue with statistical facts.

I'm still waiting for you to explain why only 74.4% of the population now describe themselves as White British after a period of around 70 years of significant immigration. One lifetime. Only 43.4% in our own capital.

That is a quarter of the population who came from somewhere else in one lifetime.

Immigration has been the driving force behind population increase since the nineties. The existing population consists largely of people who are beyond child rearing age. It is immigrants who are boosting the birth rate above negative.

It doesn't take an expert to see how this will play out.
Only a blind fool denies what is in front of them.

No one wants to talk about it because deniers of truth like you would try to tarnish their reputations, as you regularly attempt on here.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Apr 2023 11.06am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 11.20am
Originally posted by georgenorman If Muslims are now being attracted to hiking in the Peak District, perhaps there should be sign posts in Mecca pointing to the Peak District? Silly. Both are daft. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 11.20am

Originally posted by georgenorman

If Muslims are now being attracted to hiking in the Peak District, perhaps there should be sign posts in Mecca pointing to the Peak District?

Silly. Both are daft.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 11.31am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle This is pointless distraction. As usual having disputed the facts, source and rationale we've ended up far from the original point which is that there as been mass immigration into Britain. The two largest cities in Britain now have a majority of people living in them who were not indigenous. Regardless of logic chopping about legal status where did those people come from? The point actually was the use of "white" and not "indigenous"! We can discuss the implications of the latter, as that is a reasonable debate but not the former, in my opinion. Where did those people come from? From their parents, just as we did, and just as their parents also did. What does "indigenous" mean? All of us have a mix of DNA which indicates a heritage that isn't truly indigenous. So where's the cut off? It's all a question of time. New arrivals won't be new arrivals forever. Communities arrive, remain isolated and suspect for a while, then blended and accepted. You don't need me to give examples. Visit most surgeries or hospitals and the evidence is in your face. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 23 11.31am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The point actually was the use of "white" and not "indigenous"!

We can discuss the implications of the latter, as that is a reasonable debate but not the former, in my opinion.

Where did those people come from? From their parents, just as we did, and just as their parents also did. What does "indigenous" mean? All of us have a mix of DNA which indicates a heritage that isn't truly indigenous. So where's the cut off? It's all a question of time. New arrivals won't be new arrivals forever. Communities arrive, remain isolated and suspect for a while, then blended and accepted. You don't need me to give examples. Visit most surgeries or hospitals and the evidence is in your face.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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