more unarmed white people are killed in America by the police then anyone its not a race issue it's a whole policing culture issue.

Seems like all arguments around this are bigger than the events themselves. The online debate can be whittled down to people calling each other either racist or hippies.

I've seen a few of the videos, and trying not to read too far into it, this is what I saw.

First, a guy getting arrested whilst on the pavement. Didnt seem like much was going on.

Second, theres a gap in the footage I dont know what happend, and the guy being arrested is in the road, on his face on the other side a police car with 3 police men trying to hold him down.

2 things could have happened, it could be brutality. It could be resisting arrest. We wont know until we see the whole story.

The guy on the floor is shouting in pain. I've seen so many people get arrested or been held down after fights in nightclubs who suddenly start yelling in pain. I saw a post from AntiFA advising protesters to do it in the past if they ever get arrested.

The guy on the floor was much bigger than the policeman on his neck. His arm looked like the size of the policeman's body.

I wouldn't have like to hold him down.

The real criminal bit, centres around when Floyd stopped talking for 2.5minutes. That should have raised alarm bells. Maybe it did, I'm not yet sure when the police realised their was something wrong.

I think it takes a bit of a leap of faith to confirm or deny if this was categorically racist.

For completeness it's worth adding that there is video of his initial arrest and at that time at least it does not look like he's resisting arrest at all. He was cuffed at the time. There is also video of him inside the police car prior to hit somehow ending up back on the ground.

Edited by BlueJay (31 May 2020 10.29pm)

Agreed. It looked pretty straight forward to begin with.

Really need to know what happened between when he was initially stopped and how he ended up on the floor, and also exactly how long between when he stopped talking and when he the police noticed he stopped breathing and tried to do anything.

If anyones got that on video I'll form my opinion from it.

To me, the policeman didnt really look like he was maliciously trying to kill someone. I'd assume, it's pretty difficult to hold someone on the floor with live traffic and people filming you when they should be on lockdown. 3 police have lost their jobs and been arrested. I dont see what more can be done for the time being, but then I'm not black or American so cant really understand.

Agreed. It looked pretty straight forward to begin with.

Really need to know what happened between when he was initially stopped and how he ended up on the floor, and also exactly how long between when he stopped talking and when he the police noticed he stopped breathing and tried to do anything.

If anyones got that on video I'll form my opinion from it.

To me, the policeman didnt really look like he was maliciously trying to kill someone. I'd assume, it's pretty difficult to hold someone on the floor with live traffic and people filming you when they should be on lockdown. 3 police have lost their jobs and been arrested. I dont see what more can be done for the time being, but then I'm not black or American so cant really understand.