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Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 24 Nov 16 12.47pm Send a Private Message to Mr_Gristle Add Mr_Gristle as a friend

Funny how non-Tory chancellors who pile on the debt to fund spending programmes are foolhardy gamblers who risk the UK's economic ruin, while Phillip Hammond is some sort of pragmatic genius for doing the exact same thing.

Laughable in the extreme, like his government's claims to still be on the side of those "just about managing".

 


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Hoof Hearted 24 Nov 16 1.08pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


Debt to gdp of 90+% . Thanks austerity. You've really worked. Seems that the idea of state investment as stimulus isn't a daft lefty idea anymore. Miliband was shot down for suggesting such a thing yet Hammond is being applauded.

Or perhaps I was joking (like Hoof did about hitting children to raise a response) in order to worm out of something I've said that's iffy.


Thanks Austerity indeed.... the 6 years break in unfettered unnecessary wasteful spending that George Osborne imposed after 13 years of Blair/Brown/Darling's spend spend spend regime was just what was needed to stabilise our economy.

Imagine what the deficit would be like now if Balls had been given the green light by Miliband in 2010 - we have definitely dodged a bullet there. Balls was even having discussions with Greek finance ministers FFS.

Now that we've reigned in our spending and steadied the ship maybe now it is time to invest in a modest schedule of works to improve our infrastructure? That's a different proposition than the massive state schemes that Balls was advocating.

As for your last paragraph - what guff.

I wrote that to get a reaction from you and I even telegraphed your exact response to my wife as I hit the send button.

As a person with no children I have no opinions on the merits of punishing them or other methods of parental control.

I do know what presses your buttons though.

 

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Hoof Hearted 24 Nov 16 1.10pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Funny how non-Tory chancellors who pile on the debt to fund spending programmes are foolhardy gamblers who risk the UK's economic ruin, while Phillip Hammond is some sort of pragmatic genius for doing the exact same thing.

Laughable in the extreme, like his government's claims to still be on the side of those "just about managing".

I refer the honourable gentleman to my response to Gusset above.

 

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.TUX. Flag 24 Nov 16 1.35pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Thanks Austerity indeed.... the 6 years break in unfettered unnecessary wasteful spending that George Osborne imposed after 13 years of Blair/Brown/Darling's spend spend spend regime was just what was needed to stabilise our economy.

Imagine what the deficit would be like now if Balls had been given the green light by Miliband in 2010 - we have definitely dodged a bullet there. Balls was even having discussions with Greek finance ministers FFS.

Now that we've reigned in our spending and steadied the ship maybe now it is time to invest in a modest schedule of works to improve our infrastructure? That's a different proposition than the massive state schemes that Balls was advocating.

As for your last paragraph - what guff.

I wrote that to get a reaction from you and I even telegraphed your exact response to my wife as I hit the send button.

As a person with no children I have no opinions on the merits of punishing them or other methods of parental control.

I do know what presses your buttons though.

Would this be the same George Osborne who earlier this year, while on a trip to the US, admitted to 'austerity' being a mistake?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Nov 16 1.48pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Thanks Austerity indeed.... the 6 years break in unfettered unnecessary wasteful spending that George Osborne imposed after 13 years of Blair/Brown/Darling's spend spend spend regime was just what was needed to stabilise our economy.

Imagine what the deficit would be like now if Balls had been given the green light by Miliband in 2010 - we have definitely dodged a bullet there. Balls was even having discussions with Greek finance ministers FFS.

Now that we've reigned in our spending and steadied the ship maybe now it is time to invest in a modest schedule of works to improve our infrastructure? That's a different proposition than the massive state schemes that Balls was advocating.

As for your last paragraph - what guff.

I wrote that to get a reaction from you and I even telegraphed your exact response to my wife as I hit the send button.

As a person with no children I have no opinions on the merits of punishing them or other methods of parental control.

I do know what presses your buttons though.

So you now admit to trolling. Good work.


Around the time you were trumpeting how austerity and cutting vital services was the only way forward. You can't argue against that . Now it's becoming clear that austerity was a facile project that's just put the country up s*** creek further. Your excuse that balls in charge would mean a worse deficit is a) unanswerable nonsense - how do you know that would happen? You are using something that hasn't actually happened to justify something that has happened and is s*** but you don't want to admit it.
b)Nonsense because I was referring to debt being over 90% of gdp not reduction of deficit. What do you think of debt rising to 90%of gdp?

Edited by nickgusset (24 Nov 2016 1.49pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Nov 16 1.49pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

Would this be the same George Osborne who earlier this year, while on a trip to the US, admitted to 'austerity' being a mistake?

Well everyone can blame everything on Brexit for the next decade so it's all a freebie.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Nov 16 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

So you now admit to trolling. Good work.


Around the time you were trumpeting how austerity and cutting vital services was the only way forward. You can't argue against that . Now it's becoming clear that austerity was a facile project that's just put the country up s*** creek further. Your excuse that balls in charge would mean a worse deficit is a) unanswerable nonsense - how do you know that would happen? You are using something that hasn't actually happened to justify something that has happened and is s*** but you don't want to admit it.
b)Nonsense because I was referring to debt being over 90% of gdp not reduction of deficit. What do you think of debt rising to 90%of gdp?

Edited by nickgusset (24 Nov 2016 1.49pm)


Yeah, the Tories just did it to wind up the electorate.

So how do you propose to reduce the national debt?

On wait, you are Labour, you will just put your head in the sand and borrow even more.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Nov 16 2.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Yeah, the Tories just did it to wind up the electorate.

So how do you propose to reduce the national debt?

On wait, you are Labour, you will just put your head in the sand and borrow even more.

The tories did it to help the transistion from local public services to private run for profit public IMHO, austerity was an excuse for ideological slashing of public services.

How do I propose to reduce the national debt? Is questioning me about something quite complex really your argument against the s*** the Tories have put us all in?

Borrow even more, like what hammond has said this week?

Edited by nickgusset (24 Nov 2016 2.02pm)

 

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.TUX. Flag 24 Nov 16 2.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well everyone can blame everything on Brexit for the next decade so it's all a freebie.

It seems that way.

 


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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 24 Nov 16 2.04pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Yeah, the Tories just did it to wind up the electorate.

So how do you propose to reduce the national debt?

On wait, you are Labour, you will just put your head in the sand and borrow even more.

You say that as if George Osborne isn't the chancellor who borrowed the most in history.

Austerity at that point in the cycle was a mistake. And not only would it have been a mistake anyway, but it failed. It delivered the slowest recovery in modern history and still hasn't produced anywhere near a balanced budget despite the promises.

 


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.TUX. Flag 24 Nov 16 2.14pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Yeah, the Tories just did it to wind up the electorate.

So how do you propose to reduce the national debt?

On wait, you are Labour, you will just put your head in the sand and borrow even more.

1. Stop bailing out the banks when they make a (cough cough) 'mistake', 'mistakes' which wreck lives. In any other walk of life their actions would be considered criminal!
2. Stop dealing with the Bank of England and start our own. If they can print money from thin-air then why not do it ourselves.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Nov 16 2.28pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Eye-watering level of debt according to Hammond the debt that was supposed to be re-paid by the end of the first Tory 5 year govt. in fact thats why they were elected.

Its now nearly 1.7 trillion and in 4 years it will be 1.95 trillion pounds.

Apart from the usual tinkering around its the same policies continued and brexit just to f**k us all up completely add on any number to 122 billions.

The 14 year old girl saying to her gran 'Gran you've ruined my future' what hope for the young saddled with tory debt. 1.95 trillion.

Here's an idea Brexiteers - you wanted it how would you like to pay for it?

 

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