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cryrst The garden of England 29 Oct 20 4.33pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But the point which many Jewish people I knew made - and one I have a lot of sympathy for - is that anti-Semitism often isn't explicit, but its unconscious, in the references we make, in the language we use. Many on the left failed properly to appreciate that. But now we have people saying that because Corbyn has been removed, AS has gone away. What?! Surely if it's something so insidious, getting rid of one person doesn't resolve anything. This comes at a time when truly anti-semitic movements like Qanon and the anti-Soros movement are gaining more and more ground. Clearly, we as a society haven't dealt with anti-semitism. But now one person has been suspended from a political party, so it's all fine. And Starmer, who was in the shadow cabinet throughout Corbyn's tenure, can lecture everyone about how tough he is in taking on anti-semitism, and we're all meant to sit here and pretend that the irony of him saying it isn't enough to delegitimise the entire f*cking process. This is about the labour of JC. Not soros or other parts of establishment. His failure to act whilst at the head of the party is the big question and makes him accountable.
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BlueJay UK 29 Oct 20 4.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I seldom partake in the political debates for reasons I have already explained so will make a fleeting appearance on this thread. In my humble estimation, Starmer has made the decision to suspend Corbyn as he believes it is politically convenient to do so.The electorate will remember that he was a prop to Corbyn when the anti-semitism debate was raging.I shall leave it there! Pretty much 99% the reason that politicians do anything then .
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buzby1 Devon 29 Oct 20 4.58pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But the point which many Jewish people I knew made - and one I have a lot of sympathy for - is that anti-Semitism often isn't explicit, but its unconscious, in the references we make, in the language we use. Many on the left failed properly to appreciate that. But now we have people saying that because Corbyn has been removed, AS has gone away. What?! Surely if it's something so insidious, getting rid of one person doesn't resolve anything. This comes at a time when truly anti-semitic movements like Qanon and the anti-Soros movement are gaining more and more ground. Clearly, we as a society haven't dealt with anti-semitism. But now one person has been suspended from a political party, so it's all fine. And Starmer, who was in the shadow cabinet throughout Corbyn's tenure, can lecture everyone about how tough he is in taking on anti-semitism, and we're all meant to sit here and pretend that the irony of him saying it isn't enough to delegitimise the entire f*cking process.
Whether or not JC subscribed to antisemitic views it's undeniable that many who identified with him did. Momentum and the like fostered this crisis with an ill understood analysis of the Israeli/Palestine situation which reduced everything to simple right or wrong thinking. Look at the We Support Jeremy Corbyn website and you'll see that he's been raised to demigod cult hero status and Israel & Jew have become synonymous. The Labour Party, I think, must now break with JC and Momentum. In the future new leaders of the left will appear and all power to them - I only hope they are informed and not old school antisemitic. Up the Palace!
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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Oct 20 5.01pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Starmer hasn't united labour he has divided it, a quite unjustified suspension. Wasn't he there himself? Ah apology for not acting quickly enough has often been made by JC, but act he did. A third of the population think that labour is anti-semitic which is nonsense, the figure given by the enquiry was 0.3 of 1%. But the UK is just such a hysterical place now. It certainly is. Unfortunately, those on the Liberal/Left are mostly responsible for that. It is highly amusing that you are being bitten on the arse by your own stupidity.
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steeleye20 Croydon 29 Oct 20 5.06pm | |
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Originally posted by buzby1
Whether or not JC subscribed to antisemitic views it's undeniable that many who identified with him did. Momentum and the like fostered this crisis with an ill understood analysis of the Israeli/Palestine situation which reduced everything to simple right or wrong thinking. Look at the We Support Jeremy Corbyn website and you'll see that he's been raised to demigod cult hero status and Israel & Jew have become synonymous. The Labour Party, I think, must now break with JC and Momentum. In the future new leaders of the left will appear and all power to them - I only hope they are informed and not old school antisemitic. Up the Palace! It would be better if they split from fair-weather friends like you.
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Oct 20 5.14pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It would be better if they split from fair-weather friends like you. What's that saying about the truth and all that!
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PalazioVecchio south pole 29 Oct 20 5.15pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I bet bbs is fun. the Tranny bloke who seems to own the BBS will be doing his nut.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Oct 20 5.42pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
This is true, one of the old school politicians in it for the many, not the few! Unfortunately, the working class masses fall in to the buying a rag every morning to read the sport and read the headlines, made up by the billionaires living abroad favouring our etonian friends, believing that these rich billy bunter/lord snooty types have the working mans interest at heart! I have given up on saving the working classes, i"m quite enjoying sitting back and watching their faith in boris and his cronies unravel, especially up north, i think Jeremy should stick to feeding the homeless in London on christmas day, as he has done for the past 30 years, while boris has a few weeks on his billionaire pals caribbean island free, and the workers enjoy their sandwiches!
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buzby1 Devon 29 Oct 20 5.49pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It would be better if they split from fair-weather friends like you. You have no idea who I am or my political position. I’ve worked for Labour and canvassed for Labour for over fifty years. I don’t like antisemitism. I do like socialism. I don’t like uniformed idiots who speak without knowing what they’re talking about.
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Matov 29 Oct 20 5.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But would you?
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Oct 20 6.01pm | |
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Originally posted by buzby1
You have no idea who I am or my political position. I’ve worked for Labour and canvassed for Labour for over fifty years. I don’t like antisemitism. I do like socialism. I don’t like uniformed idiots who speak without knowing what they’re talking about. Whoosh
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cryrst The garden of England 29 Oct 20 6.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
But would you? Which one?
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