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 becky  over the moon 11 Jun 23 1.04pm |
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 Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 11 Jun 23 1.11pm |
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i hark back to the fact that the UK has a declining birth rate and a burdening pension system. We have unemployed people, so why do we need migrants ? other that to keep the wages supressed by cheap immigrant labour. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (11 Jun 2023 1.16pm)
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 georgenorman 11 Jun 23 1.36pm |
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A certain MP in the 1960s on immigration: "Some problems are unavoidable. Some evils can be coped with to a certain extent, but not prevented. But that a nation should have saddled itself, without necessity and without countervailing benefit, with a wholly avoidable problem of immense dimensions is enough to make one weep. That the same nation should stubbornly persist in allowing the problem, great as it already is, to be magnified further, is enough to drive one to despair."
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| Stirlingsays 11 Jun 23 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
i hark back to the fact that the UK has a declining birth rate and a burdening pension system. We have unemployed people, so why do we need migrants ? other that to keep the wages supressed by cheap immigrant labour. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (11 Jun 2023 1.16pm) They literally created the situation with these policies, so they don't care that much, they only care insomuch in how it would affect them. The trust that many older people feel towards the establishment is born of the times in which they grew up in...which was a different world. Like myself they are slowly realising that the kind of people in power for the last thirty years are increasingly disconnected from them....Even May called them the 'citizens of nowhere'. The lying over immigration has been unforgiveable....for the Tories to have behaved like this will have significant consequences for them. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2023 2.11pm)
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 11 Jun 23 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
i hark back to the fact that the UK has a declining birth rate and a burdening pension system. We have unemployed people, so why do we need migrants ? other that to keep the wages supressed by cheap immigrant labour. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (11 Jun 2023 1.16pm) - the longterm unemployed are a big part of the problem....and we now also have a two-tier labour market. a) working officially & paying taxes b) working cash in hand...often done by those with little alternative options. Poland & Hungary are being run by leaders who still like their nation. Westminster hates us here.
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cryrst  The garden of England 11 Jun 23 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
They literally created the situation with these policies, so they don't care that much, they only care insomuch in how it would affect them. The trust that many older people feel towards the establishment is born of the times in which they grew up in...which was a different world. Like myself they are slowly realising that the kind of people in power for the last thirty years are increasingly disconnected from them....Even May called them the 'citizens of nowhere'. The lying over immigration has been unforgiveable....for the Tories to have behaved like this will have significant consequences for them. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2023 2.11pm) Tbh at the moment it doesn’t affect me directly. Although if I picked through the diverted finances to keep these illegal immigrants and their families it probably or in reality does. I have just voted Tory in my local elections; now though I have decided I won’t vote again and this issue and what will come down the road from it whether financial or 5 th column effect is enough for me to make that decision.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Jun 23 4.19pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Tbh at the moment it doesn’t affect me directly. Although if I picked through the diverted finances to keep these illegal immigrants and their families it probably or in reality does. I have just voted Tory in my local elections; now though I have decided I won’t vote again and this issue and what will come down the road from it whether financial or 5 th column effect is enough for me to make that decision. Yep, we know that Starmer is even worse....a liar who will make a pig's ear of everything. But we have to question just how much worse could it get? The Tories need to come to their senses and have a complete clear out and go back to actual conservatism instead of doing bad impressions of Blairism.
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| silvertop Portishead 11 Jun 23 4.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, we know that Starmer is even worse....a liar who will make a pig's ear of everything. But we have to question just how much worse could it get? The Tories need to come to their senses and have a complete clear out and go back to actual conservatism instead of doing bad impressions of Blairism. Ironic given Blair was accused of doing a Tory. It's like the end of Animal Farm.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Jun 23 4.47pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Ironic given Blair was accused of doing a Tory. It's like the end of Animal Farm. In truth, Blair is neither left or right, he's pure neo liberal. The typical middle class guy who wants to keep as much of his money as possible whilst having a social conscience based on the boomer myths he was raised with.
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Jun 23 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, we know that Starmer is even worse....a liar who will make a pig's ear of everything. But we have to question just how much worse could it get? The Tories need to come to their senses and have a complete clear out and go back to actual conservatism instead of doing bad impressions of Blairism. I can’t see the social side getting much worse initially. BUT once labour haves raped the bank accounts, pensions and savings of the working man and any with a few quid then the social side will go totally bonkers. I reckon 18 months as is now, two years of stealing wealth and 6 months of buying votes with said money to the feckless workshy and non English who by then will have their passport.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Jun 23 6.28pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I can’t see the social side getting much worse initially. BUT once labour haves raped the bank accounts, pensions and savings of the working man and any with a few quid then the social side will go totally bonkers. I reckon 18 months as is now, two years of stealing wealth and 6 months of buying votes with said money to the feckless workshy and non English who by then will have their passport. That's coming down the pipe whoever wins the election....My advice...for what's it's worth...is have your finances sorted out well before the decade's close. With the SNP and Tories imploding, Starmer looks like a shoe in at the moment.....But a week's a long time in politics and who can be certain what the landscape will be once voting comes around.
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Jun 23 6.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That's coming down the pipe whoever wins the election....My advice...for what's it's worth...is have your finances sorted out well before the decade's close. With the SNP and Tories imploding, Starmer looks like a shoe in at the moment.....But a week's a long time in politics and who can be certain what the landscape will be once voting comes around. Tbh my main finances are my house and my pensions. Savings won’t be affected as I don’t have much ! Ce la vie
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