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BlueJay UK 06 Feb 22 6.00pm
Originally posted by Matov This particular issue in terms of how our political system has evolved, and the 'elite' is has created, has caused me to make a genuine decision that I will simply not bother voting anymore. It achieves absolutely nothing if we end up with morons like this. The only argument in the defence of this modern political class is that they have nothing really to look back on when it comes to Covid. Nothing to reference back to and the truth is that it was/is a crisis that has required a level of genuine leadership that nobody I can immediately think of has responded to in any kind of admirable manner. In fact, once again, only the Queen seems to emerge with any kind of genuine credit and I am not sure she can be used by way of measuring our current political class. Yes, same. I'm likely not in lockstep with you politically, but I'm more coming around to the idea that in life you just have to forge your own future and try to dial down the madness around. Not always easy, but ultimately we have very little control over the big picture and so allotting concern in line with how much it actually matters would seem to make more sense. Concern for family, friends, local community. Beyond that I wonder how much the emotion and time achieves. Edited by BlueJay (06 Feb 2022 6.01pm)
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BlueJay

UK 06 Feb 22 6.00pm

Originally posted by Matov

This particular issue in terms of how our political system has evolved, and the 'elite' is has created, has caused me to make a genuine decision that I will simply not bother voting anymore. It achieves absolutely nothing if we end up with morons like this.

The only argument in the defence of this modern political class is that they have nothing really to look back on when it comes to Covid. Nothing to reference back to and the truth is that it was/is a crisis that has required a level of genuine leadership that nobody I can immediately think of has responded to in any kind of admirable manner. In fact, once again, only the Queen seems to emerge with any kind of genuine credit and I am not sure she can be used by way of measuring our current political class.

Yes, same. I'm likely not in lockstep with you politically, but I'm more coming around to the idea that in life you just have to forge your own future and try to dial down the madness around. Not always easy, but ultimately we have very little control over the big picture and so allotting concern in line with how much it actually matters would seem to make more sense. Concern for family, friends, local community. Beyond that I wonder how much the emotion and time achieves.

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Matov 06 Feb 22 6.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Johnson is there to win elections. I don't really have an issue with your attitude towards him as he isn't really a Tory anyway....turned out to be some green liberal, who apart from Brexit, was worst than May....and wow, that takes some doing. But it's usually not great to do what the left want....and the left want Johnson gone because all the incoming contenders have a charisma vacuum similar to their leader.....with two boring figureheads we are back to May/Corbyn and they will win back a lot of those red wall seats. Also, the media are gung ho for proving their power over the political process so that also bothers me.....they hold information on figures and wait until it most benefits them.....I don't like rewarding that either. So personally I'm a bit conflicted on it.....can't stand Johnson but I don't play my opponent's game. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 5.49pm) For those of us on the Dissident Right what honestly changes even if Labour get it? The Tories support every kind of attack on free speech and degeneracy as it is. They have over-turned nothing. No. Voting for any of the major political parties, as things stand, achieves nothing so why bother? Not that I can offer you any practical alternatives other than riding stripey wild animals, at least for now. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

06 Feb 22 6.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Johnson is there to win elections.

I don't really have an issue with your attitude towards him as he isn't really a Tory anyway....turned out to be some green liberal, who apart from Brexit, was worst than May....and wow, that takes some doing.

But it's usually not great to do what the left want....and the left want Johnson gone because all the incoming contenders have a charisma vacuum similar to their leader.....with two boring figureheads we are back to May/Corbyn and they will win back a lot of those red wall seats.

Also, the media are gung ho for proving their power over the political process so that also bothers me.....they hold information on figures and wait until it most benefits them.....I don't like rewarding that either.

So personally I'm a bit conflicted on it.....can't stand Johnson but I don't play my opponent's game.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 5.49pm)

For those of us on the Dissident Right what honestly changes even if Labour get it? The Tories support every kind of attack on free speech and degeneracy as it is. They have over-turned nothing.

No. Voting for any of the major political parties, as things stand, achieves nothing so why bother? Not that I can offer you any practical alternatives other than riding stripey wild animals, at least for now.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Matov 06 Feb 22 6.06pm
Originally posted by BlueJay Concern for family, friends, local community. Beyond that I wonder how much the emotion and time achieves. Edited by BlueJay (06 Feb 2022 6.01pm) Nothing in that to disagree with. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

06 Feb 22 6.06pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Concern for family, friends, local community. Beyond that I wonder how much the emotion and time achieves.

Edited by BlueJay (06 Feb 2022 6.01pm)

Nothing in that to disagree with.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Feb 22 6.11pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Johnson is there to win elections. I don't really have an issue with your attitude towards him as he isn't really a Tory anyway....turned out to be some green liberal, who apart from Brexit, was worst than May....and wow, that takes some doing. But it's usually not great to do what the left want....and the left want Johnson gone because all the incoming contenders have a charisma vacuum similar to their leader.....with two boring figureheads we are back to May/Corbyn and they will win back a lot of those red wall seats. Also, the media are gung ho for proving their power over the political process so that also bothers me.....they hold information on figures and wait until it most benefits them.....I don't like rewarding that either. So personally I'm a bit conflicted on it.....can't stand Johnson but I don't play my opponent's game. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 5.49pm) Reminds me of the 2010 election Cameron / Milliband and Clegg what a shower an any of them could lead any of the other parties. Which candidate to you prefer the Tory / Labour Lib Dem one or the Labour / Tory / Lib Dem one meet the new boss same as .... One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 06 Feb 22 6.11pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Johnson is there to win elections.

So personally I'm a bit conflicted on it.....can't stand Johnson but I don't play my opponent's game.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 5.49pm)

Reminds me of the 2010 election Cameron / Milliband and Clegg what a shower an any of them could lead any of the other parties.

Which candidate to you prefer the Tory / Labour Lib Dem one or the Labour / Tory / Lib Dem one meet the new boss same as ....

One more point

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BlueJay UK 06 Feb 22 6.17pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Reminds me of the 2010 election Cameron / Milliband and Clegg what a shower an any of them could lead any of the other parties. Which candidate to you prefer the Tory / Labour Lib Dem one or the Labour / Tory / Lib Dem one meet the new boss same as .... Rather quaint days in retrospect. Controversies such as how someone eats a bacon sandwich or what their Dad thinks..
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BlueJay

UK 06 Feb 22 6.17pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Reminds me of the 2010 election Cameron / Milliband and Clegg what a shower an any of them could lead any of the other parties.

Which candidate to you prefer the Tory / Labour Lib Dem one or the Labour / Tory / Lib Dem one meet the new boss same as ....

Rather quaint days in retrospect. Controversies such as how someone eats a bacon sandwich or what their Dad thinks..

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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Feb 22 6.23pm
Queen Camilla and Boris Johnson. Doesn't this also sum up the Queen's reign, a descent into irrelevance and unimportance. Nobody's listening anymore.
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steeleye20

Croydon 06 Feb 22 6.23pm

Queen Camilla and Boris Johnson.

Doesn't this also sum up the Queen's reign, a descent into irrelevance and unimportance.

Nobody's listening anymore.

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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 22 6.46pm
Originally posted by Matov For those of us on the Dissident Right what honestly changes even if Labour get it? The Tories support every kind of attack on free speech and degeneracy as it is. They have over-turned nothing. No. Voting for any of the major political parties, as things stand, achieves nothing so why bother? Not that I can offer you any practical alternatives other than riding stripey wild animals, at least for now. There are communities, however yes...you're probably right. The Tories have libertarians while Labour have none and are probably.....more into the transgender stuff but other than that it's an argument over just who is more empathic over what and how high we set tax. Really exciting stuff. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 6.49pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

06 Feb 22 6.46pm

Originally posted by Matov

For those of us on the Dissident Right what honestly changes even if Labour get it? The Tories support every kind of attack on free speech and degeneracy as it is. They have over-turned nothing.

There are communities, however yes...you're probably right.

The Tories have libertarians while Labour have none and are probably.....more into the transgender stuff but other than that it's an argument over just who is more empathic over what and how high we set tax.

Really exciting stuff.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 6.49pm)

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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 22 6.53pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Reminds me of the 2010 election Cameron / Milliband and Clegg what a shower an any of them could lead any of the other parties. Which candidate to you prefer the Tory / Labour Lib Dem one or the Labour / Tory / Lib Dem one meet the new boss same as .... Yep, the leaderships all pretty much agree on everything.....just variations of the same neo liberalism. Their grass roots believe in different politics far more than the leaderships do. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

06 Feb 22 6.53pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Reminds me of the 2010 election Cameron / Milliband and Clegg what a shower an any of them could lead any of the other parties.

Which candidate to you prefer the Tory / Labour Lib Dem one or the Labour / Tory / Lib Dem one meet the new boss same as ....

Yep, the leaderships all pretty much agree on everything.....just variations of the same neo liberalism.

Their grass roots believe in different politics far more than the leaderships do.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Matov 06 Feb 22 7.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays There are communities, however yes...you're probably right. The Tories have libertarians while Labour have none and are probably.....more into the transgender stuff but other than that it's an argument over just who is more empathic over what and how high we set tax. Really exciting stuff. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 6.49pm) But most of this transgender lunacy has come in whilst the Tories have been in power. Ditto with all kinds of progressive BS. This is the point. The Tories are the instigators of much of this rabid attack on traditional values. The Right need to be under no delusions about this. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

06 Feb 22 7.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There are communities, however yes...you're probably right.

Really exciting stuff.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 6.49pm)

But most of this transgender lunacy has come in whilst the Tories have been in power. Ditto with all kinds of progressive BS. This is the point. The Tories are the instigators of much of this rabid attack on traditional values.

The Right need to be under no delusions about this.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Feb 22 7.22pm
In times of strife the tories play the racial card and hey presto! It's Kwasi. 'Fraud is not necessarily a crime' (?) 'The crime figures show a decline of 14% since Boris'. Errm actually, there has been a general increase of 14% not a reduction. Well who put that out.
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steeleye20

Croydon 06 Feb 22 7.22pm

In times of strife the tories play the racial card and hey presto! It's Kwasi.

'Fraud is not necessarily a crime' (?)

'The crime figures show a decline of 14% since Boris'.

Errm actually, there has been a general increase of 14% not a reduction.

Well who put that out.

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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 22 7.29pm
Originally posted by Matov But most of this transgender lunacy has come in whilst the Tories have been in power. Ditto with all kinds of progressive BS. This is the point. The Tories are the instigators of much of this rabid attack on traditional values. The Right need to be under no delusions about this. Yep, the right don't currently have a party to vote for. And those running the election committees on new parties seem to think that new parties have to sign up to all the alphabet and minority ideologies to be allowed to actually compete for votes....So the dissident or traditional religious parties aren't currently allowed without ditching their core principles. You can't help but have the impression that neo liberalism is just another form of authoritarianism....you aren't allowed to offer an alternative to it....unless you're the communist party or other formula of left. Like the Muslims are doing it just makes sense to community build. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 7.31pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

06 Feb 22 7.29pm

Originally posted by Matov

The Right need to be under no delusions about this.

Yep, the right don't currently have a party to vote for.

And those running the election committees on new parties seem to think that new parties have to sign up to all the alphabet and minority ideologies to be allowed to actually compete for votes....So the dissident or traditional religious parties aren't currently allowed without ditching their core principles.

You can't help but have the impression that neo liberalism is just another form of authoritarianism....you aren't allowed to offer an alternative to it....unless you're the communist party or other formula of left.

Like the Muslims are doing it just makes sense to community build.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 7.31pm)

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Joe Bloggs Nr Norwich 06 Feb 22 8.29pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays There are communities, however yes...you're probably right. The Tories have libertarians while Labour have none and are probably.....more into the transgender stuff but other than that it's an argument over just who is more empathic over what and how high we set tax. Really exciting stuff. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 6.49pm) Perhaps you are too young to recall the Tory MP( Milligan) who accidently killed himself while wearing a suspender belt and stocking.....something about having a plastic bag over his head during his fun and games.
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Joe Bloggs

Nr Norwich 06 Feb 22 8.29pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There are communities, however yes...you're probably right.

Really exciting stuff.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 6.49pm)

Perhaps you are too young to recall the Tory MP( Milligan) who accidently killed himself while wearing a suspender belt and stocking.....something about having a plastic bag over his head during his fun and games.

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