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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 11.11am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are missing the point as usual.

He has been exposed as a total hypocrite and moreover, it brings into question if any wrongs were done to him at all, since he might well have been a willing participant in that kind of environment.
His use of race related insults strongly suggests that he was quite happy to indulge in that kind of banter and casts huge doubt on his claims that he was so offended, albeit years later, when he was allegedly subjected to the same kind of thing by his friends.

Face it. He has made you look utterly stupid. Something that seems to be quite easy to achieve lately.

No, it's you who is spectacularly missing the point.

If you actually listened to Rafiq's testimony you would understand that he fully accepts his own shortcomings and responsibility. He was just as immersed in an unacceptable culture as anyone. The difference was that the hurt it caused him had to be suppressed and resulted in mental health issues. That he too participated in the unacceptable abuse makes some sense in that context.

That's not to excuse it. It is to explain it. His purpose is to be honest about this and argue for a change in the culture. Which is the message that most people seem to have received.

Attempting to deflect criticism onto him, when he has already owned it, ask more questions of those who deflect than their target.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 21 11.18am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

This from from someone who says people are racists because he believe that they think racist thoughts!
Could it be that it is all in his mind rather than the minds of those that he denigrates.

You certainly have some odd thoughts!

I never said anything of the sort. It's all in your mind.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Nov 21 11.36am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No, it's you who is spectacularly missing the point.

If you actually listened to Rafiq's testimony you would understand that he fully accepts his own shortcomings and responsibility. He was just as immersed in an unacceptable culture as anyone. The difference was that the hurt it caused him had to be suppressed and resulted in mental health issues. That he too participated in the unacceptable abuse makes some sense in that context.

That's not to excuse it. It is to explain it. His purpose is to be honest about this and argue for a change in the culture. Which is the message that most people seem to have received.

Attempting to deflect criticism onto him, when he has already owned it, ask more questions of those who deflect than their target.

Just checking.

You have presumably noticed that I have stopped responding to your drivel? I'm not debating with the deluded.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Nov 21 12.30pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

A denial that (other peoples) actual racism still exists in society is in part what perpetuates it. You of course have absolutely no issue on a daily basis believing that anti white racism is real, just as it's clear that for the most part Rafiq only sees his own experienced anti pakistani racism. The one eyed approach explains how you both behave.

Even the outcome is similar, in Rafiq's case the OTT nature means that people lose their jobs or fear it, and in your case you're on record as saying that this single example would make you very hesitant to even employ or work with pakistani men in general... which is the most absurd statement to come out of any of this.

If someone has experienced racism to the level that it impacts them, it's their right to speak out (without receiving death threats and the like as happened with him), but at the same time it also conveys the pitfalls in basing your entire worldview on your own - or indeed others people race. Lessons all round, with no doubt few willing to take them.


Edited by BlueJay (19 Nov 2021 10.58am)

Another one who just can't accept that I don't want to play.

This man been found out using 'racist' language, which blows the whole idea that he was a victim rather than just a willing participant.
The idea that he had some kind of epiphany later would only be believed by idiots and people who are desperate to believe or just to save face.
I am neither an employer nor an employee, I'm retired, but I think it is very reasonable to assume that there will be some, especially smaller employers, who might be considering the wisdom of employing minority candidates in the current environment where such flimsy retrospective claims of racism are seized on by those eager to profit from it.

You of course don't live in the real world but in one of ideological mumbo jumbo.

Now please. Stop your pathetic character assignations, personal insinuations and feeble mind reading act and just reply to someone else. I don't want to waste my time debating with those who are not interested in reality. This particular subject has clearly demonstrated that you and a couple of others are not remotely interested in anything more than pushing your woke agenda and attacking those who oppose it.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Nov 2021 12.31pm)

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 19 Nov 21 12.33pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No, it's you who is spectacularly missing the point.

If you actually listened to Rafiq's testimony you would understand that he fully accepts his own shortcomings and responsibility. He was just as immersed in an unacceptable culture as anyone. The difference was that the hurt it caused him had to be suppressed and resulted in mental health issues. That he too participated in the unacceptable abuse makes some sense in that context.

That's not to excuse it. It is to explain it. His purpose is to be honest about this and argue for a change in the culture. Which is the message that most people seem to have received.

Attempting to deflect criticism onto him, when he has already owned it, ask more questions of those who deflect than their target.

So apologies all round then and everyone is happy. Presumably as everyone appears to have generously forgiven him for his anti semitic comments then presumably he can now forgive those who offended him and we can close the matter in the knowledge that he has raised awareness which surely this is all it's about.

If money exchanges hands as a result of all this I would not be happy and I would say it would be reasonable for the Jewish community to take him to task and make a claim against him. Or does compensation for racism only work with certain races?

 

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YT Flag Oxford 19 Nov 21 12.37pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

So apologies all round then and everyone is happy. Presumably as everyone appears to have generously forgiven him for his anti semitic comments then presumably he can now forgive those who offended him and we can close the matter in the knowledge that he has raised awareness which surely this is all it's about.

If money exchanges hands as a result of all this I would not be happy and I would say it would be reasonable for the Jewish community to take him to task and make a claim against him. Or does compensation for racism only work with certain races?

Jews tend to be white. 'nuff said.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Nov 21 12.41pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

So apologies all round then and everyone is happy. Presumably as everyone appears to have generously forgiven him for his anti semitic comments then presumably he can now forgive those who offended him and we can close the matter in the knowledge that he has raised awareness which surely this is all it's about.

If money exchanges hands as a result of all this I would not be happy and I would say it would be reasonable for the Jewish community to take him to task and make a claim against him. Or does compensation for racism only work with certain races?

Jewish leaders were on a, ahem! Sticky wicket. They are always moaning about racism, not that they are a race, but they couldn't really throw Rafiq under the bus on this since everyone in authority has to appear 'woke' and this kind of story helps drive that agenda. In fact, the fuss over this is entirely designed to do just that.
Secretly, they might think that he is a massive anti Semite hypocrite.

 

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YT Flag Oxford 19 Nov 21 12.44pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Let’s hope the same is afforded to Alex Hales

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Edited by Spiderman (19 Nov 2021 11.10am)

What about these two rascists? [Link]

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Nov 21 12.50pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by YT

What about these two rascists? [Link]

It does make you wonder how far these woke Puritans would take it if let unbridled.

Fancy dress is out for a start. Too risky.

I have noticed a lot of Black Santas in the media recently. Isn't that cultural appropriation? Ah! But that only works in one direction, as we all know.

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 19 Nov 21 1.02pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

If the world moves on to a different approach in viewing races from around the world then why has it become so important to keep dragging up the past when we all know people thought and acted differently years ago?

With the exception of probably three or four posters on here we would probably all admit to having laughed at and enjoyed programmes such as love thy neighbour, however times change. It doesn't mean however that all of a sudden it should be ok to drag up the past and try to destroy people for past deeds.

It's all about education and tolerance and ageing. I say that because my grandfather for instance hated the Japanese having been involved in the war and that hatred lasted with him for a lifetime. Casual racism as opposed to overt racism as a general rule will slowly disappear as the world gets smaller in relative terms but don't expect to be able to force people to have fluffy thoughts for all just because they are told to, as with the best will in the world that aint going to happen.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 19 Nov 21 1.10pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

It's all nuts.

While I don't agree with racial language....and that should be sorted out in-house I have to say the idea that people can't have fun and blow off steam because others take offence is similarly out of order....it should have all been sorted out with apologies...but I don't think this has been up front and honest.

Words are words and intent and context matters......A world where the race card is accepted for every perceived slight has led to the current 'witch trial' culture.

What is really evil about all this is that if you think like me but are say really good at cricket or football then you are persecuted out of the game.

It's the opposite of meritocracy.

I'll make the point again.....When the social conservatives ruled these institutions....back when Botham, Gower and Boycott were playing if you held the opposite opinions....no one stopped you making a living.

This point really needs forcing home because what is happening isn't good and it isn't progress, in fact I regard it as authoritarianism and anti western.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2021 1.13pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Nov 21 1.12pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

If the world moves on to a different approach in viewing races from around the world then why has it become so important to keep dragging up the past when we all know people thought and acted differently years ago?

With the exception of probably three or four posters on here we would probably all admit to having laughed at and enjoyed programmes such as love thy neighbour, however times change. It doesn't mean however that all of a sudden it should be ok to drag up the past and try to destroy people for past deeds.

It's all about education and tolerance and ageing. I say that because my grandfather for instance hated the Japanese having been involved in the war and that hatred lasted with him for a lifetime. Casual racism as opposed to overt racism as a general rule will slowly disappear as the world gets smaller in relative terms but don't expect to be able to force people to have fluffy thoughts for all just because they are told to, as with the best will in the world that aint going to happen.

My grandfather wasn't a big fan of the Germans but that had nothing to do with race.
Unfortunately, there are those who can't see that many prejudices have nothing to do with skin colour at all, but it is an easy reductionist argument to push an irrational ideal.

From what I can see, the push for an artificially created homogenous society is a recipe for more division.
When you hear phrases like diversity and inclusivity chanted in an almost robotic manner, it is scarily reminiscent of a dystopian novel.
The real drive for this 'ideal' is money. More money for those who already have too much.

 

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