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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 04 May 21 7.55am |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Yet again, they are both speculation. How the country fares in the future, this has not yet been written. Of course it hasn't! It's not been suggested otherwise. Only that there is evidence to support the assertion that it isn't going too well.
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| Matov 04 May 21 12.08pm |
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Starers position is looking very, very, vulnerable now. If the polling out from the weekend proves correct then he is in deep, deep, merde. Some daunting numbers out there for Labour. Only question remaining, should Hartlepool fall to the Tories, is when he is challenged over his leadership, not when.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| Jacey 04 May 21 12.17pm |
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Keir suffered a mauling from Rachel on 5 live this morning because of his inability to make any decisions on key subjects like social care or the new traffic lights travel proposals.
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| Matov 04 May 21 8.37pm |
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From the Guardian... Labour set for huge election defeat in Hartlepool, internal polling suggests... [Link] s***. This is going to be bloody messy if it pans out. I reckon the Trade Unions will move against him. Edited by Matov (04 May 2021 8.38pm)
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 04 May 21 10.47pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course it hasn't! It's not been suggested otherwise. Only that there is evidence to support the assertion that it isn't going too well. Yet again, more opinion trying to be passed off as fact. There is no evidence to say things are going badly, only opinion. Many are delighted at how things are going. We were led to believe that the sky would fall in once we left and yet life is ticking along just fine.
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| chris123 hove actually 05 May 21 7.37am |
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Originally posted by Matov
From the Guardian... Labour set for huge election defeat in Hartlepool, internal polling suggests... [Link] s***. This is going to be bloody messy if it pans out. I reckon the Trade Unions will move against him. Edited by Matov (04 May 2021 8.38pm) A strong Brexit voting constituency though.
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| Matov 05 May 21 11.58am |
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Originally posted by chris123
A strong Brexit voting constituency though.
And Labour won in Hartlepool in 2019. This not a seat for them to gain but to defend. If they lose it then it is a shocking inditement of how steep the hill is they have to climb if they want to stay relevant in British politics. Losing tomorrow is catastrophic for them. And if the Unions insist that Starmer steps down in the wake of it, and threaten to withdraw their funding if he does not, then the Labour Party is facing a crisis in terms of why it even exists anymore.
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| Matov 05 May 21 12.12pm |
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Chatter out there that they are so convinced they have lost Hartlepool that the move against Starmer is already underway. Pop-corn time!
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| chris123 hove actually 05 May 21 12.35pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
And Labour won in Hartlepool in 2019. This not a seat for them to gain but to defend. If they lose it then it is a shocking inditement of how steep the hill is they have to climb if they want to stay relevant in British politics. Losing tomorrow is catastrophic for them. And if the Unions insist that Starmer steps down in the wake of it, and threaten to withdraw their funding if he does not, then the Labour Party is facing a crisis in terms of why it even exists anymore. Brexit party may have skewed that vote surely?
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| Matov 05 May 21 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Brexit party may have skewed that vote surely? Absolutely. But the point remains. Labour needs people who voted for either the Brexit party or the Tories to change their minds and vote for them. Conventional political wisdom/reality holds that in these local council elections, especially on the back of Government being in power for over 10 years, that the Opposition should be cleaning up. Winning huge slews of council seats. Certainly not potentially losing them. And most definitely not losing by-elections. For a party that proclaims itself as the natural home of the working classes, to even be fearful of losing a constituency such as Hartlepool is beyond a joke. Because if Labour do lose, then what is the point of them anymore? Why should Trade Unions continue to fund a political organisation that is so inept? We could be waking up on Friday at the start of a process that sees Labour cease to exist in its current form within the next 12 months. This is truly a crisis moment for them.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 05 May 21 1.10pm |
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You have to laugh. '.@BorisJohnson has delivered #Brexit #tradedeals and jobs for #Harlepool along with a #Freeport and 180,000 well paid jobs. #Conservatives deliver, we get stuff done. Nadine Dorries - Tory minister. You Certainly do, Nadine, Hartlepool's population is only 92,000.
She can't spell Hartlepool either.
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| Spiderman Horsham 05 May 21 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You have to laugh. '.@BorisJohnson has delivered #Brexit #tradedeals and jobs for #Harlepool along with a #Freeport and 180,000 well paid jobs. #Conservatives deliver, we get stuff done. Nadine Dorries - Tory minister. You Certainly do, Nadine, Hartlepool's population is only 92,000.
Clutching at straws Steeley?
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