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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jun 17 5.32pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Sorry but that is just bullsh1t appeasement talk. We have known the Saudis have been exporting Wahhabism for decades. "Enough is enough" says Theresa. So, she must be hatching a policy to rid us of Saudi influence in the UK once and for all. For what else is there for her to do to mean what she say's that isn't just going to be waffle and side-tracking?

Or...the status quo will ensue and they will be treated like friends still whilst hiding out in the open undermining the very fabric of our, and others, society.

I know which one my dosh is on.

It's a complex world Kermit. I'd be very happy to tell those Saudis where to go and I feel that an end game is not too far away but we are not qualified to judge foreign policy without all the facts.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 05 Jun 17 5.34pm

Originally posted by europalace

Where did I say that? No more justified than UK/US governments etc (voted in by their own countries citizens) killing thousands of civilians including women and children in a number of foreign countires where they have used military force against the people's will. What you're seeing now in parts of Europe and the UK is a backlash against that military action which has killed so many innocent citizens including children in those countries.

Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 5.32pm)

terrorist apologist weasel words alert!

 


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NKEagle Flag Pyongyang 05 Jun 17 5.37pm Send a Private Message to NKEagle Add NKEagle as a friend

Originally posted by europalace

Where did I say that? No more justified than UK/US governments etc (voted in by their own countries citizens) killing thousands of civilians including women and children in a number of foreign countires where they have used military force against the people's will.

You didn't say that. But some of your comments could be interpreted as implying it. If not (and I certainly believe you), then all you're doing is explaining their motivation. Which does very little to help solve the problem. Other commentators have at least proposed solutions, however unrealistic some of them may be, and you have roundly criticized them for doing so. But at the same time, you've proposed no solutions of your own. And immediately ceasing all middle eastern entanglements doesn't count, because that obviously won't solve our immediate problem.

So, what would YOU do right now to prevent the next attack?

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 05 Jun 17 5.46pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's a complex world Kermit. I'd be very happy to tell those Saudis where to go and I feel that an end game is not too far away but we are not qualified to judge foreign policy without all the facts.

However complex it is - though I think it is just about them spending money which boosts the UK economy - the Government is blatantly an enabler of Saudi extreme fundamentalist Islam being spread in the UK. By doing nothing it is doing everything that Saudi Arabia wants. Helping their version of Islam to eventually dominate the religion here.

It's pretty shocking really but the right-wing press won't run with it nor will the Tory supporters take their heads out of the desert sand and see what is happening before their very eyes. Their own team is enabling Islamic extremism here by allowing its propagation being financed from Jeddah.

 


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mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 05 Jun 17 5.47pm Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

It's always SO much easier in opposition. You can say whatever you like. It's when you have to DO something the idealists tend to struggle.

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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NKEagle Flag Pyongyang 05 Jun 17 5.49pm Send a Private Message to NKEagle Add NKEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Do you have to make everything party political?

Do you honestly think that Labour will make a jot of a difference to our underhand dealings? Don't be naive or worse, willfully misleading.

Engaging in partisan politics, from either side, won't solve the problem. The partisan blinders that many have on are a huge handicap. This is something that we all need to pull together on.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jun 17 5.53pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Which are? Domestic policy also often has 'unforeseen consequences and side effects' as well. I hear about internment a lot, and its traditionally been a disaster when used. It escalated the Boer War and worked to the IRA, INLA and UFF / UVF's interests in Ireland.

Its also been a massive problem when the US tried using 'illegal' detention. Arguably fuelling anti-Americanism across the Muslim world.


Internment on what basis?
We can't intern people on the basis of religion but we can detain and or deport people who spread propaganda or are suspected of being involved in terrorism. We can also close any mosques that are being used for the spread of the aforementioned.
A far more selective approach about who we allow into Britain would be good.

 

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europalace Flag Europe 05 Jun 17 5.57pm Send a Private Message to europalace Add europalace as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

terrorist apologist weasel words alert!

clueless, untraveled xenophobe alert!

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jun 17 6.00pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

However complex it is - though I think it is just about them spending money which boosts the UK economy - the Government is blatantly an enabler of Saudi extreme fundamentalist Islam being spread in the UK. By doing nothing it is doing everything that Saudi Arabia wants. Helping their version of Islam to eventually dominate the religion here.

It's pretty shocking really but the right-wing press won't run with it nor will the Tory supporters take their heads out of the desert sand and see what is happening before their very eyes. Their own team is enabling Islamic extremism here by allowing its propagation being financed from Jeddah.

After the election I'm sure there will be room for a public examination of our policy toward the Saudis. As I have said before, victims of terrorism in Europe and the US are just collateral in the bigger picture. On that we agree.
What I can't say and would always be loathed to even consider is whether that is a price worth paying in the bigger picture.
On face value, I want to do anything that protects UK citizens but in the light of our dealings abroad I would not have allowed hundreds of thousands of potential enemies to come and live here in the first place.

 

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NKEagle Flag Pyongyang 05 Jun 17 6.02pm Send a Private Message to NKEagle Add NKEagle as a friend

Originally posted by europalace

clueless, untraveled xenophobe alert!

You're right, we should all travel to Syria and make friends with the nice locals. It'll "build bridges."

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 05 Jun 17 6.13pm


Fascist in Arsenal shirt was Khuram Butt [appropriate surname]. He appeared in a TV documentary last year about British jihadis – and was also involved in a filmed altercation with police after he unfurled an ISIS flag in Regent's Park. In Channel 4's The Jihadis Next Door he was caught on camera alongside two notorious preachers who were well known to police and intelligence officials because of their extremist views.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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elgrande Flag bedford 05 Jun 17 6.17pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

However complex it is - though I think it is just about them spending money which boosts the UK economy - the Government is blatantly an enabler of Saudi extreme fundamentalist Islam being spread in the UK. By doing nothing it is doing everything that Saudi Arabia wants. Helping their version of Islam to eventually dominate the religion here.

It's pretty shocking really but the right-wing press won't run with it nor will the Tory supporters take their heads out of the desert sand and see what is happening before their very eyes. Their own team is enabling Islamic extremism here by allowing its propagation being financed from Jeddah.

I would quite happily tell the Saudis where to go,I know we have a lot of trade with them..but bollocks to that.
I hear all the allegations about the torys in league with them for all the trade deals....but has labour never traded with them...genuine question.

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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