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Stirlingsays 15 May 14 6.17pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2014 4.51pm I wouldn't go so far as to say they're invalid, they're invalid to some, questioned by others. I think its always more interesting and important as to why people think or feel something, than just accepting that they are validated just because they experience them. I have cultural attachments, feelings of belonging, and a national identity (admittedly one probably based on the rejection of the idea of nation identity). We all do, its impossible not to, we are all produced within the discourses of our social environments and experiences. Your cultural attachments are valid because that is how you feel. There is no more requirement for you to meet. What could be criticised is what affect that cultural identity could have upon others....Does it weaken society or strengthen it.....The answer to that is of course down to how you see things. Essentially your cultural outlook frames the type of society you'd prefer to live in.....Prefer but not insist upon. Yours appears a tad too individualistic for me.....Though of course individualism is a good thing to an extent.....But so what?....It's how you see it and hence just as valid as how I see things. I kind of know the type of society I'd prefer is work towards hasn't been the agenda of politicians since the EU was allowed to control our borders...accelerating changes far faster than I believe is fair for the poorer within the resident population....No easy 'flight' for them. Mostly privately educated politicians are constantly telling us how wonderful immigration is....And that having issues with its levels requires a verbal walking on eggshells. Well, bollocks to that.....When the quality of people's lives has been affected significantly in housing and jobs...The two most important things that the state can help an individual with....Well, I think people should be screaming from the rooftops. Long may Ukip keep giving them a bloody nose.....They deserve it, whatever party or party combo holds sway. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2014 6.19pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 May 2014 4.51pm

I wouldn't go so far as to say they're invalid, they're invalid to some, questioned by others. I think its always more interesting and important as to why people think or feel something, than just accepting that they are validated just because they experience them.

I have cultural attachments, feelings of belonging, and a national identity (admittedly one probably based on the rejection of the idea of nation identity). We all do, its impossible not to, we are all produced within the discourses of our social environments and experiences.

Your cultural attachments are valid because that is how you feel. There is no more requirement for you to meet. What could be criticised is what affect that cultural identity could have upon others....Does it weaken society or strengthen it.....The answer to that is of course down to how you see things.

Essentially your cultural outlook frames the type of society you'd prefer to live in.....Prefer but not insist upon.

Yours appears a tad too individualistic for me.....Though of course individualism is a good thing to an extent.....But so what?....It's how you see it and hence just as valid as how I see things.

I kind of know the type of society I'd prefer is work towards hasn't been the agenda of politicians since the EU was allowed to control our borders...accelerating changes far faster than I believe is fair for the poorer within the resident population....No easy 'flight' for them.

Mostly privately educated politicians are constantly telling us how wonderful immigration is....And that having issues with its levels requires a verbal walking on eggshells.

Well, bollocks to that.....When the quality of people's lives has been affected significantly in housing and jobs...The two most important things that the state can help an individual with....Well, I think people should be screaming from the rooftops.

Long may Ukip keep giving them a bloody nose.....They deserve it, whatever party or party combo holds sway.

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 15 May 14 6.22pm
Quote kangel at 15 May 2014 5.24pm Quote SloveniaDave at 15 May 2014 3.24pm Quote kangel at 15 May 2014 10.46am Quote SloveniaDave at 15 May 2014 10.17am Quote Penge Eagle at 15 May 2014 9.59am Quote The White Horse at 14 May 2014 11.45pm Quote Penge Eagle at 14 May 2014 11.42pm I think White Horse and Nick totally miss the point, and as ever, move the goal posts. The UKIP argument is that the UK should be in charge of controlling our borders, with an emphasis of quality, not quantity. At the moment, having the EU in charge allows the opposite - which you clearly prefer! And it also disregards high quality professionals from places like India or Australia. Edited by Penge Eagle (14 May 2014 11.44pm) Lets compromise on a third option. What do you think to nobody controlling our borders... To White Horse, question for you... Would you prefer to have totally unrestricted immigration and just limited to Europeans? All the rules made by bureaucrats in Belgium who have no real interest in the UK. OR Controlled immigration with people seeking asylum and immigrants who can fill certain job shortages that will benefit the country. Rules decided by our MPs in London and can easily held accountable. Having CONTROL ensures the balance between numbers and the impact on infrastructure and social aspects. Edited by Penge Eagle (15 May 2014 10.00am) The principle of the free movement of people, goods, services and money within the EU is a basic concept that has been agreed by all members, including the UK. It is not something made up by bureaucrats in Brussels. They only really get involved where member states do not comply. Although this results in economic migration within the EU, which causes some problems, I am convinced that the overall benefits associated with it far outweigh the problems The same principle which allows other EU nationals to come to the UK is also the one which allows the Nissan plant in Sunderland to export hundreds of thousands of cars throughout Europe with no restrictions. What are the problems you are referring to? You want me to explain what problems are associated with immigration? I would have thought that was fairly obvious in general terms. There are a number, some of which are real, some perceived and some depend on the time and the way in which it happens. As you admit that there a number of problems. If you could actually name them, then we could go on to discuss how big these problems need to become before the problems outweigh the benefits. As for the Nissan plant in Sunderland, if they produce products that people want to buy, then they will still export hundreds of thousands of cars throughout Europe, whether we are in the EU or not. Edited by kangel (15 May 2014 5.57pm) My point is that you should not try to look at the problem in isolation but look at the bigger picture. Nissan will not sell UK-built cars in Europe if Europe puts up tariff barriers against us, in the same way that workers will not be able to move freely if we impose caps or restrictions. The main problem with immigration in the UK, at the present time, is that people do not see the bigger picture and simply want to have their cake and eat it. Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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Tirana, Albania 15 May 14 6.22pm

Quote kangel at 15 May 2014 5.24pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 15 May 2014 3.24pm

Quote kangel at 15 May 2014 10.46am

Quote SloveniaDave at 15 May 2014 10.17am

Quote Penge Eagle at 15 May 2014 9.59am

Quote The White Horse at 14 May 2014 11.45pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 14 May 2014 11.42pm

I think White Horse and Nick totally miss the point, and as ever, move the goal posts.

The UKIP argument is that the UK should be in charge of controlling our borders, with an emphasis of quality, not quantity.

At the moment, having the EU in charge allows the opposite - which you clearly prefer! And it also disregards high quality professionals from places like India or Australia.

Edited by Penge Eagle (14 May 2014 11.44pm)

Lets compromise on a third option.

What do you think to nobody controlling our borders...

To White Horse, question for you...

Would you prefer to have totally unrestricted immigration and just limited to Europeans? All the rules made by bureaucrats in Belgium who have no real interest in the UK.

Controlled immigration with people seeking asylum and immigrants who can fill certain job shortages that will benefit the country. Rules decided by our MPs in London and can easily held accountable. Having CONTROL ensures the balance between numbers and the impact on infrastructure and social aspects.

Edited by Penge Eagle (15 May 2014 10.00am)

The principle of the free movement of people, goods, services and money within the EU is a basic concept that has been agreed by all members, including the UK. It is not something made up by bureaucrats in Brussels. They only really get involved where member states do not comply.

Although this results in economic migration within the EU, which causes some problems, I am convinced that the overall benefits associated with it far outweigh the problems

The same principle which allows other EU nationals to come to the UK is also the one which allows the Nissan plant in Sunderland to export hundreds of thousands of cars throughout Europe with no restrictions.

What are the problems you are referring to?

You want me to explain what problems are associated with immigration? I would have thought that was fairly obvious in general terms.

There are a number, some of which are real, some perceived and some depend on the time and the way in which it happens.

As you admit that there a number of problems. If you could actually name them, then we could go on to discuss how big these problems need to become before the problems outweigh the benefits.

As for the Nissan plant in Sunderland, if they produce products that people want to buy, then they will still export hundreds of thousands of cars throughout Europe, whether we are in the EU or not.

Edited by kangel (15 May 2014 5.57pm)

My point is that you should not try to look at the problem in isolation but look at the bigger picture. Nissan will not sell UK-built cars in Europe if Europe puts up tariff barriers against us, in the same way that workers will not be able to move freely if we impose caps or restrictions.

The main problem with immigration in the UK, at the present time, is that people do not see the bigger picture and simply want to have their cake and eat it.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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kangel 15 May 14 6.42pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 15 May 2014 6.22pm Quote kangel at 15 May 2014 5.24pm Quote SloveniaDave at 15 May 2014 3.24pm Quote kangel at 15 May 2014 10.46am Quote SloveniaDave at 15 May 2014 10.17am Quote Penge Eagle at 15 May 2014 9.59am Quote The White Horse at 14 May 2014 11.45pm Quote Penge Eagle at 14 May 2014 11.42pm I think White Horse and Nick totally miss the point, and as ever, move the goal posts. The UKIP argument is that the UK should be in charge of controlling our borders, with an emphasis of quality, not quantity. At the moment, having the EU in charge allows the opposite - which you clearly prefer! And it also disregards high quality professionals from places like India or Australia. Edited by Penge Eagle (14 May 2014 11.44pm) Lets compromise on a third option. What do you think to nobody controlling our borders... To White Horse, question for you... Would you prefer to have totally unrestricted immigration and just limited to Europeans? All the rules made by bureaucrats in Belgium who have no real interest in the UK. OR Controlled immigration with people seeking asylum and immigrants who can fill certain job shortages that will benefit the country. Rules decided by our MPs in London and can easily held accountable. Having CONTROL ensures the balance between numbers and the impact on infrastructure and social aspects. Edited by Penge Eagle (15 May 2014 10.00am) The principle of the free movement of people, goods, services and money within the EU is a basic concept that has been agreed by all members, including the UK. It is not something made up by bureaucrats in Brussels. They only really get involved where member states do not comply. Although this results in economic migration within the EU, which causes some problems, I am convinced that the overall benefits associated with it far outweigh the problems The same principle which allows other EU nationals to come to the UK is also the one which allows the Nissan plant in Sunderland to export hundreds of thousands of cars throughout Europe with no restrictions. What are the problems you are referring to? You want me to explain what problems are associated with immigration? I would have thought that was fairly obvious in general terms. There are a number, some of which are real, some perceived and some depend on the time and the way in which it happens. As you admit that there a number of problems. If you could actually name them, then we could go on to discuss how big these problems need to become before the problems outweigh the benefits. As for the Nissan plant in Sunderland, if they produce products that people want to buy, then they will still export hundreds of thousands of cars throughout Europe, whether we are in the EU or not. Edited by kangel (15 May 2014 5.57pm) My point is that you should not try to look at the problem in isolation but look at the bigger picture. Nissan will not sell UK-built cars in Europe if Europe puts up tariff barriers against us, in the same way that workers will not be able to move freely if we impose caps or restrictions. The main problem with immigration in the UK, at the present time, is that people do not see the bigger picture and simply want to have their cake and eat it. Not sure why you are so coy in not naming the 'number of problems' that you are aware of. Tariff barriers eventually fail as the market reasserts itself, people get fed up driving Moskvich-type cars produced in tariff-ridden 'planned' economies, when they could buy things they want. As for the 'bigger picture', I think many, many people in the UK are all too well aware of it, and will vote accordingly in the imminent EU elections (despite the undemocratic nature of these elections). We don't want the cake, we want control of the bakery back. Edited by kangel (15 May 2014 7.04pm)
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15 May 14 6.42pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 15 May 2014 6.22pm

Quote kangel at 15 May 2014 5.24pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 15 May 2014 3.24pm

Quote kangel at 15 May 2014 10.46am

Quote SloveniaDave at 15 May 2014 10.17am

Quote Penge Eagle at 15 May 2014 9.59am

Quote The White Horse at 14 May 2014 11.45pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 14 May 2014 11.42pm

I think White Horse and Nick totally miss the point, and as ever, move the goal posts.

The UKIP argument is that the UK should be in charge of controlling our borders, with an emphasis of quality, not quantity.

At the moment, having the EU in charge allows the opposite - which you clearly prefer! And it also disregards high quality professionals from places like India or Australia.

Edited by Penge Eagle (14 May 2014 11.44pm)

Lets compromise on a third option.

What do you think to nobody controlling our borders...

To White Horse, question for you...

Would you prefer to have totally unrestricted immigration and just limited to Europeans? All the rules made by bureaucrats in Belgium who have no real interest in the UK.

Edited by Penge Eagle (15 May 2014 10.00am)

Although this results in economic migration within the EU, which causes some problems, I am convinced that the overall benefits associated with it far outweigh the problems

What are the problems you are referring to?

You want me to explain what problems are associated with immigration? I would have thought that was fairly obvious in general terms.

There are a number, some of which are real, some perceived and some depend on the time and the way in which it happens.

As you admit that there a number of problems. If you could actually name them, then we could go on to discuss how big these problems need to become before the problems outweigh the benefits.

As for the Nissan plant in Sunderland, if they produce products that people want to buy, then they will still export hundreds of thousands of cars throughout Europe, whether we are in the EU or not.

Edited by kangel (15 May 2014 5.57pm)

The main problem with immigration in the UK, at the present time, is that people do not see the bigger picture and simply want to have their cake and eat it.

Not sure why you are so coy in not naming the 'number of problems' that you are aware of. Tariff barriers eventually fail as the market reasserts itself, people get fed up driving Moskvich-type cars produced in tariff-ridden 'planned' economies, when they could buy things they want. As for the 'bigger picture', I think many, many people in the UK are all too well aware of it, and will vote accordingly in the imminent EU elections (despite the undemocratic nature of these elections). We don't want the cake, we want control of the bakery back.

Edited by kangel (15 May 2014 7.04pm)

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TUX redhill 15 May 14 7.33pm
My point is that you should not try to look at the problem in isolation but look at the bigger picture. Nissan will not sell UK-built cars in Europe if Europe puts up tariff barriers against us, in the same way that workers will not be able to move freely if we impose caps or restrictions. -------------------------------------- @SloviniaDave................The 'bigger picture' as many see it involves the schooling of their children, NHS waiting lists, housing and employment for those already here, hence the rise in popularity of UKIP. Had any Govt over the past 10/15yrs or so put the brakes on 'benefits just for landing here' then I doubt we'd be in the situation we're facing now. I also doubt many of the current population have an issue with the EU tbh, just the immigration stance CHOSEN by those that were voted in power by THE CURRENT POPULATION. I lived in Spain for many years. In line with EU policy, you're allowed in but the Spanish give you diddly in the way of benefits until you contribute. Should you need medical help then it's down to you to provide a translator should one be needed for example. The polar opposite to the UK. That's the problem we have. Our Govt could easily ammend this situation without breaking any EU Policy etc, as Spain and many others do, but consistently choose not to? Hmmmmm. The rise of UKIP has rattled the establishment (the reason for the rise!) and brought some excitement to the game and it's about bloody time. Politics is laughable. We have the Govt we have because of 1 man, Nick Clegg. Proof indeed that we do not and will never live in a true democracy. Oh well. These things happen and will continue to I guess (Eye Roll)
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redhill 15 May 14 7.33pm

@SloviniaDave................The 'bigger picture' as many see it involves the schooling of their children, NHS waiting lists, housing and employment for those already here, hence the rise in popularity of UKIP. Had any Govt over the past 10/15yrs or so put the brakes on 'benefits just for landing here' then I doubt we'd be in the situation we're facing now.
I also doubt many of the current population have an issue with the EU tbh, just the immigration stance CHOSEN by those that were voted in power by THE CURRENT POPULATION.
I lived in Spain for many years. In line with EU policy, you're allowed in but the Spanish give you diddly in the way of benefits until you contribute. Should you need medical help then it's down to you to provide a translator should one be needed for example. The polar opposite to the UK. That's the problem we have.
Our Govt could easily ammend this situation without breaking any EU Policy etc, as Spain and many others do, but consistently choose not to? Hmmmmm.
The rise of UKIP has rattled the establishment (the reason for the rise!) and brought some excitement to the game and it's about bloody time.
Politics is laughable. We have the Govt we have because of 1 man, Nick Clegg.
Proof indeed that we do not and will never live in a true democracy.

Oh well. These things happen and will continue to I guess (Eye Roll)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 May 14 7.49pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 29 Apr 2014 11.58pm Because nothing has been done many are happy to turn to Ukip......Not because they believe in everything they say or do. But because they are the only ones out there prepared to stand up to the elitist, gravy train system that our politicians have designed for us and implement. At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver. They can promise the earth knowing full well they will never be in Government to fulfil them.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 29 Apr 2014 11.58pm

Because nothing has been done many are happy to turn to Ukip......Not because they believe in everything they say or do. But because they are the only ones out there prepared to stand up to the elitist, gravy train system that our politicians have designed for us and implement.

At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver. They can promise the earth knowing full well they will never be in Government to fulfil them.

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TUX redhill 15 May 14 7.52pm
At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver. -------------------------- That rings a bell, and another, and another, and another etc etc zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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redhill 15 May 14 7.52pm

At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver.
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That rings a bell, and another, and another, and another etc etc zzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 May 14 7.57pm
Quote TUX at 15 May 2014 7.52pm At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver. -------------------------- That rings a bell, and another, and another, and another etc etc zzzzzzzzzzzzz On that note, I am just about to go out and canvass on behalf of the 'Conservatives' !
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South coast - west of Brighton. 15 May 14 7.57pm

Quote TUX at 15 May 2014 7.52pm

At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver.
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That rings a bell, and another, and another, and another etc etc zzzzzzzzzzzzz

On that note, I am just about to go out and canvass on behalf of the 'Conservatives' !

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TUX redhill 15 May 14 8.09pm
@Willo UKIP have no chance, agreed bud. But surely a 'minnow promising' is no where near as deceitful as those who often have a chance yet..............? A minnow is an easy catch bud. Why spend your time picking on a minnow when the bigger promises are made and 'forgotten' by the sharks that will always be elected? I'll tell you why, because you're safe and unaffected. It really is that simple. I can picture the scene, 'Willo' by the side of a riverbank having his photo taken holding a 'minnow'. Congrats.
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redhill 15 May 14 8.09pm

@Willo

UKIP have no chance, agreed bud. But surely a 'minnow promising' is no where near as deceitful as those who often have a chance yet..............?
A minnow is an easy catch bud. Why spend your time picking on a minnow when the bigger promises are made and 'forgotten' by the sharks that will always be elected?
I'll tell you why, because you're safe and unaffected.
It really is that simple.
I can picture the scene, 'Willo' by the side of a riverbank having his photo taken holding a 'minnow'. Congrats.

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Stirlingsays 15 May 14 8.52pm
Quote Willo at 15 May 2014 7.49pm Quote Stirlingsays at 29 Apr 2014 11.58pm Because nothing has been done many are happy to turn to Ukip......Not because they believe in everything they say or do. But because they are the only ones out there prepared to stand up to the elitist, gravy train system that our politicians have designed for us and implement. At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver. They can promise the earth knowing full well they will never be in Government to fulfil them. If Cameron's latest promise is in the manifesto I will reconsider. But he's a slippery sod......And a poor selection ahead of David Davies. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2014 8.52pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote Stirlingsays at 29 Apr 2014 11.58pm

At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver. They can promise the earth knowing full well they will never be in Government to fulfil them.

If Cameron's latest promise is in the manifesto I will reconsider.

But he's a slippery sod......And a poor selection ahead of David Davies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2014 8.52pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 May 14 9.11pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 15 May 2014 8.52pm Quote Willo at 15 May 2014 7.49pm Quote Stirlingsays at 29 Apr 2014 11.58pm Because nothing has been done many are happy to turn to Ukip......Not because they believe in everything they say or do. But because they are the only ones out there prepared to stand up to the elitist, gravy train system that our politicians have designed for us and implement. At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver. They can promise the earth knowing full well they will never be in Government to fulfil them. If Cameron's latest promise is in the manifesto I will reconsider. But he's a slippery sod......And a poor selection ahead of David Davies. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2014 8.52pm) I'd vote for Windsor Davies.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 15 May 2014 8.52pm

Quote Willo at 15 May 2014 7.49pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 29 Apr 2014 11.58pm

At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver. They can promise the earth knowing full well they will never be in Government to fulfil them.

If Cameron's latest promise is in the manifesto I will reconsider.

But he's a slippery sod......And a poor selection ahead of David Davies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2014 8.52pm)

I'd vote for Windsor Davies.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 15 May 14 9.34pm
Quote Willo at 15 May 2014 7.49pm Quote Stirlingsays at 29 Apr 2014 11.58pm Because nothing has been done many are happy to turn to Ukip......Not because they believe in everything they say or do. But because they are the only ones out there prepared to stand up to the elitist, gravy train system that our politicians have designed for us and implement. At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver. They can promise the earth knowing full well they will never be in Government to fulfil them. By trotting out your tory central office mantra, you've missed the point of ukip. They already ARE delivering. All the main parties are running scared. Cameron came out on Andrew Marr last week saying stuff about a referendum he wouldn't have said in a million years if it weren't for ukip. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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Quote Willo at 15 May 2014 7.49pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 29 Apr 2014 11.58pm

At the end of the day UKIP promise a lot but they simply cannot deliver. They can promise the earth knowing full well they will never be in Government to fulfil them.

By trotting out your tory central office mantra, you've missed the point of ukip. They already ARE delivering. All the main parties are running scared. Cameron came out on Andrew Marr last week saying stuff about a referendum he wouldn't have said in a million years if it weren't for ukip.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 May 14 9.38pm
I think the most worrying thing about the whole EU malarkey is the lack of real information rather than the half truths and misinformation put out by the press.
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I think the most worrying thing about the whole EU malarkey is the lack of real information rather than the half truths and misinformation put out by the press.

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