I seldom partake in the political debates for reasons I have already explained so will make a fleeting appearance on this thread.

In my humble estimation, Starmer has made the decision to suspend Corbyn as he believes it is politically convenient to do so.The electorate will remember that he was a prop to Corbyn when the anti-semitism debate was raging.I shall leave it there!

Then why did Labour switch to a second referendum policy? And an utterly s*** one? Because it was appalling. Shockingly bad.

How can you propose to offer people a deal to leave that you have negotiated then say, in the same breath, that you will be voting against it?

It was beyond shocking. Yet Corbyn switches? Why? What on earth drove them to do that?

I get why you are pissed off because it is an incredible turn of events but Corbyn shot himself in the foot in the first place by allowing even the notion of not backing Brexit to take hold.

That was what done him.

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"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

People are allowed their own thoughts on labour and antisemitism. The fact only 1% of labour are is pretty irrelevant. Going to terrorists funerals isnt going to be anything but bad tbh.

I was just saying she has done very nicely out of her previous enquiry, which was quite obviously a whitewash which guaranteed her elevation to the House of Lords.

You're correct about numbers but the effect of Militant was the same as it was with JC and Momentum - it split the Labour Party. If JC, Momentum and the remains of that 300,000 who joined up want to form a new party and take on Labour and the Tories then so be it. I'll listen to their arguments and decide who to support.

The central issue here isn't the many strong policies that JC fought elections on, including renationalisation and many others, the central issue we are discussing is that he failed to stop antisemitism rising rabidly in the party. Not only failed to stop it and expel those who were responsible but by his lack of action he condoned and encouraged it. That was his job as leader. Disavow it. Root it out. He didn't. Speak to Labour-supporting Jews who feel robbed of their right to vote for the party they've always believed in and who feel abused by people who confuse and conflate the Israeli/Palestine issue with being Jewish.

But the point which many Jewish people I knew made - and one I have a lot of sympathy for - is that anti-Semitism often isn't explicit, but its unconscious, in the references we make, in the language we use. Many on the left failed properly to appreciate that.

But now we have people saying that because Corbyn has been removed, AS has gone away. What?! Surely if it's something so insidious, getting rid of one person doesn't resolve anything. This comes at a time when truly anti-semitic movements like Qanon and the anti-Soros movement are gaining more and more ground. Clearly, we as a society haven't dealt with anti-semitism.

But now one person has been suspended from a political party, so it's all fine. And Starmer, who was in the shadow cabinet throughout Corbyn's tenure, can lecture everyone about how tough he is in taking on anti-semitism, and we're all meant to sit here and pretend that the irony of him saying it isn't enough to delegitimise the entire f*cking process.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4