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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 May 20 9.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Disagree. The only people pushing this are the media and most people will be bored of it by Wednesday or Thursday. The media aren't pushing it. They are reporting it. It may well die down. That depends on the news cycle which is always unpredictable. It won't though go away. If there is a new spike or something else goes wrong this link will be resurrected. This is going to taint the whole effort and poison the goodwill that Johnson had built up. Stupid.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 May 20 10.03pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Why would cummins going up north have an impact on how this is dealt with going forwards. You have convinced yourself he is guilty before a trial. Plod will find he acted within the law of covid. Read what the SAGE behavioural scientists have said. That's not me being convinced of anything. Most people don't accept his explanations and regard them as excuses. That you don't isn't important. If most do and their behaviour changes as a consequence, as the scientists are predicting, then whatever you, I or Johnson think personally is irrelevant. If the result of his not being sacked is more deaths then he must be sacked. End of.
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Teddy Eagle 26 May 20 10.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Read what the SAGE behavioural scientists have said. That's not me being convinced of anything. Most people don't accept his explanations and regard them as excuses. That you don't isn't important. If most do and their behaviour changes as a consequence, as the scientists are predicting, then whatever you, I or Johnson think personally is irrelevant. If the result of his not being sacked is more deaths then he must be sacked. End of. How is his not being sacked going to make any difference over his keeping his job? One can’t lead to more deaths than the other.
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Mapletree Croydon 26 May 20 10.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
But AC didn’t stop (advise you to not) see your close relatives and then make sure his 4 year old Autistic son didn’t end up in social care, which is what the lynch mob said he should’ve planned for, so he’s an evil Cvnt and needs his car keyed, just as cowards do. His son is autistic? Wow, seen no proof of that. Well, if he is the worst thing to do is to suddenly break his routine. Poor child. Everyone that knows about autism would recognise that as a major mistake.
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 May 20 10.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your cynicism is entirely misplaced. Deal with the arguments rather than simply attack who is making them. If you think my analysis is wrong then explain why. Although many have tried to put forward a defence for this lack of action by Johnson none has yet had even a smidgeon of reality. Apologists for Cummings and Johnson's lack of action are floundering in a mire of blame-shifting onto the media etc etc. It won't stand up. I can see it and the vast majority of ordinary people can see it. The responsibility for this mess lies solely in no 10 Downing St. Not Fleet St or Portland Place.
I know your usual tactic is to claim ignorance of any agenda or Machiavellian schemes but no one is fooled.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 May 20 10.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Ah the old Ruskin influences, evidence please, we all know how you insist on cast iron evidence from other posters ( well those you don’t agree with) desperation setting in? The evidence you seek is in the intelligence report that was held back prior to the last GE. I have no more read that report than anyone else but I have read enough leaks given to sources I trust to firmly believe it to be true. Indeed the Mueller report into the Russian interference into the 2016 US Presidential election gave some hints of this. The Germans and the Australians are saying much the same things about interference in their elections. It really doesn't need too much logical deduction to be made to understand that this is true. We know that Dominic Grieve was pushing very hard to have this published prior to the election but Johnson held it back. (I smell Cummings all over that decision by the way). Why would Grieve do that unless the report contains such damaging information that it might have swayed the election result? 2+2 usually = 4.
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SavoyTruffle 26 May 20 10.22pm | |
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First day back after being off sick for some time, back in London ready to do what I can to help the nation out of this horrendous pandemic... I know... I'll edit my blog, that will help. The man is far from Machiavellian genius...
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 May 20 10.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I know your usual tactic is to claim ignorance of any agenda or Machiavellian schemes but no one is fooled. That though is the point. Cummings is NOT "thousands" of other people. He is partly the architect of the rules and known to be the closest adviser to the PM. Other people get fined if caught. We understand and we forgive because we are human and have families too. Whatever sympathy you might have for him on a personal level is totally beside the point. If the public perception is such that it negatively impacts the government's own strategy then he has to go. Johnson can express all the regrets he likes and stay in touch over the phone and zoom, but the public need to know that when people like him break the rules they get sacked. Just as other, lesser, advisers have been. I see nothing other than honest factual reporting of an extremely serious issue here. If what he did deserves the sack, Johson doesn't sack him and that is forecasted to cost lives, then that is the biggest story at the moment. Of course it's going to get wall to wall coverage.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 May 20 10.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The media aren't pushing it. They are reporting it. It may well die down. That depends on the news cycle which is always unpredictable. It won't though go away. If there is a new spike or something else goes wrong this link will be resurrected. This is going to taint the whole effort and poison the goodwill that Johnson had built up. Stupid. The numbers of Covid are very much down, but I’m half watching the s*** show that is itv news and they’re pushing the Covid emergency as much as possible, then onto shops opening, back to Covid panic and then onto how local councils are seriously lacking funding now and in future. Oh and back to Covid panic and a Scottish nurse talking about her experience and how she hopes funding will increase, from an economy that doesn’t work. Tonight I’ve seen doctors and nurses on all the news programmes in hospitals with no patients to treat, that they’ve admitted themselves, telling what it was like during the crisis. So now the crisis is closing, they’re telling us about when it was at its peak and then tell us about problems that can only be solved without fear being fed to the masses. This is all seriously wrong. Boris and Cummings are guilty of this continuing, not keeping a four year old within immediate family. But it looks like they either don’t want it to look like they’ve got it a bit wrong and are willing to drag it out for longer, or they want us to believe they saved us when it looks like it’ll be inevitable that this hangs around for a while and we have to deal and accept it rather for a short while longer rather than think you can beat a virus with a lockdown that isn’t even a lockdown anyway.
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Stirlingsays 26 May 20 10.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Wilesy01
Hold on... its been spotted by using the appropriate software that content was added to a past DC blog in 2019, inserting a paragraph on SARS/caronavirus outbreaks, on 14 April. This prediction, specifically on a caronavirus like outbreak was mentioned by DC yesterday. So it's been changed and then used by Cummings to lend himself credibility. Lest we forget 14 April also happened to be the day he returned to work. It's a small untruth and one that can only be used to benefit the man himself. Honestly think what you wish as its legitimately a very small detail but it does nothing to demonstrate a reliable narrator. ? There is absolutely nothing wrong with editing your online blog....listen to yourself! Lend himself credibility? By suggesting the virus came from a lab? When even now this is called a conspiracy theory and more so then. Cummings said he had written about the virus and pandemics years ago. This is true. He made no claims otherwise.....the contentions you are making are much ado about nothing.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 May 20 10.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That though is the point. Cummings is NOT "thousands" of other people. He is partly the architect of the rules and known to be the closest adviser to the PM. Other people get fined if caught. We understand and we forgive because we are human and have families too. Whatever sympathy you might have for him on a personal level is totally beside the point. If the public perception is such that it negatively impacts the government's own strategy then he has to go. Johnson can express all the regrets he likes and stay in touch over the phone and zoom, but the public need to know that when people like him break the rules they get sacked. Just as other, lesser, advisers have been. I see nothing other than honest factual reporting of an extremely serious issue here. If what he did deserves the sack, Johson doesn't sack him and that is forecasted to cost lives, then that is the biggest story at the moment. Of course it's going to get wall to wall coverage. Sounded like a balanced person until then.
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Cpfc1861 26 May 20 11.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
His son is autistic? Wow, seen no proof of that. Well, if he is the worst thing to do is to suddenly break his routine. Poor child. Everyone that knows about autism would recognise that as a major mistake. Do you demand proof of autism as well now if not it must be assumed he is lying but even so autism has a massive range of spectrums some prefer a constant familiar routine others are always wanting constant change some are very intelligent some are very simple autism requires flexibility depending on the individual child's needs which is why it's such a difficult disability to be managed as a whole.
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