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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Nov 16 8.14pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I take it that you also endorse child beating too? Listen to yourself.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

I take it that you also endorse child beating too?

Listen to yourself.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Nov 16 8.54pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Listen to yourself. No you listen to yourself. You've both advocated denial of food from children coupled with using physical violence. Whatever way you try to deflect it, it remains true. What century are you from?
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Shizzlehurst 20 Nov 16 8.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Listen to yourself.

No you listen to yourself. You've both advocated denial of food from children coupled with using physical violence. Whatever way you try to deflect it, it remains true.
What century are you from?

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Nov 16 10.31pm
Originally posted by nickgusset No you listen to yourself. You've both advocated denial of food from children coupled with using physical violence. Whatever way you try to deflect it, it remains true. What century are you from? But once again you are using the usual straw man argument since I have advocated nothing. You are doing your usual line in virtue signaling. Just repeat to yourself 1000 times. I am virtuous and holier than thou. Then go away. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Nov 2016 10.32pm)
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20 Nov 16 10.31pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

No you listen to yourself. You've both advocated denial of food from children coupled with using physical violence. Whatever way you try to deflect it, it remains true.
What century are you from?

But once again you are using the usual straw man argument since I have advocated nothing.

You are doing your usual line in virtue signaling.
Just repeat to yourself 1000 times. I am virtuous and holier than thou. Then go away.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Nov 2016 10.32pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Nov 16 11.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger But once again you are using the usual straw man argument since I have advocated nothing. You are doing your usual line in virtue signaling. Just repeat to yourself 1000 times. I am virtuous and holier than thou. Then go away. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Nov 2016 10.32pm) I was right... I'm not saying I'm virtuous and holier than thou, that's something that you have labelled me with. Do you advocate corporal punishment, yes or no? Then we can put this silly argument to bed. Tsk, 'virtue signalling' Isn't anyone allowed to offer a riposte to what was written by yourself, hoof et al. Don't go bandying about names because you don't like being pulled up about things. Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2016 11.07pm)
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Shizzlehurst 20 Nov 16 11.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But once again you are using the usual straw man argument since I have advocated nothing.

You are doing your usual line in virtue signaling.
Just repeat to yourself 1000 times. I am virtuous and holier than thou. Then go away.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Nov 2016 10.32pm)

I was right... I'm not saying I'm virtuous and holier than thou, that's something that you have labelled me with.

Do you advocate corporal punishment, yes or no? Then we can put this silly argument to bed.

Tsk, 'virtue signalling' Isn't anyone allowed to offer a riposte to what was written by yourself, hoof et al. Don't go bandying about names because you don't like being pulled up about things.

Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2016 11.07pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Nov 16 10.33am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted This thread is now dangerously infected with morons who do not understand or cannot accept that the majority voted to leave the EU and now,almost 5 months since the result, are still throwing their toys out of the pram about it. I blame their parents who have obviously let their childish tantrums get them everything they have ever wanted instead of giving them a smack and sending them to bed with no tea! I think quite a few probably voted without thinking through the longer term economic implications and risks, or the actual risks in terms of their own economic and job security. Ultimately though its perfectly acceptable to take an economic hit, for something you believe to be right or just or necessary. Of course plenty on the Remain side voted for single issues without really contemplating the costs of an exit. As for establishing UK soverignity - I think we can see just how much the exit EU camp feel about Parliamentary Sovereignty when the courts ruled in favour of... UK Parliamentary Sovereignty over Article 50. The Remainers are also perfectly within their rights to pursue their political goal of not leaving the EU - It was a very close referendum. They just have to accept that they only represent around 48% of the population (which incidentally is more than almost every post-war government elected). They're perfectly entitled to pursue a second referendum, or support any democratic method of revisiting that decision, that is fair and just (because that's exactly what the Exit camp would also have done). The whole point of democracy is that 'you don't have to shut up and just accept things', you can change them, provided you do so in a manner that is democratically valid. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 21 Nov 16 10.33am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

This thread is now dangerously infected with morons who do not understand or cannot accept that the majority voted to leave the EU and now,almost 5 months since the result, are still throwing their toys out of the pram about it.

I blame their parents who have obviously let their childish tantrums get them everything they have ever wanted instead of giving them a smack and sending them to bed with no tea!

I think quite a few probably voted without thinking through the longer term economic implications and risks, or the actual risks in terms of their own economic and job security. Ultimately though its perfectly acceptable to take an economic hit, for something you believe to be right or just or necessary.

Of course plenty on the Remain side voted for single issues without really contemplating the costs of an exit.

As for establishing UK soverignity - I think we can see just how much the exit EU camp feel about Parliamentary Sovereignty when the courts ruled in favour of... UK Parliamentary Sovereignty over Article 50.

The Remainers are also perfectly within their rights to pursue their political goal of not leaving the EU - It was a very close referendum. They just have to accept that they only represent around 48% of the population (which incidentally is more than almost every post-war government elected). They're perfectly entitled to pursue a second referendum, or support any democratic method of revisiting that decision, that is fair and just (because that's exactly what the Exit camp would also have done).

The whole point of democracy is that 'you don't have to shut up and just accept things', you can change them, provided you do so in a manner that is democratically valid.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Nov 16 11.49am
Originally posted by nickgusset I was right... I'm not saying I'm virtuous and holier than thou, that's something that you have labelled me with. Do you advocate corporal punishment, yes or no? Then we can put this silly argument to bed. Tsk, 'virtue signalling' Isn't anyone allowed to offer a riposte to what was written by yourself, hoof et al. Don't go bandying about names because you don't like being pulled up about things. Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2016 11.07pm) I'm not a big fan of physical punishment but discipline is required. I can't stand the modern mentality of letting your kids get away with everything because it's good for their personality. It clearly isn't if you grow up to be a total prick with entitlement issues. Is that OK with you, oh keeper of the moral code?
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21 Nov 16 11.49am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I was right... I'm not saying I'm virtuous and holier than thou, that's something that you have labelled me with.

Do you advocate corporal punishment, yes or no? Then we can put this silly argument to bed.

Tsk, 'virtue signalling' Isn't anyone allowed to offer a riposte to what was written by yourself, hoof et al. Don't go bandying about names because you don't like being pulled up about things.

Edited by nickgusset (20 Nov 2016 11.07pm)

I'm not a big fan of physical punishment but discipline is required. I can't stand the modern mentality of letting your kids get away with everything because it's good for their personality.
It clearly isn't if you grow up to be a total prick with entitlement issues.

Is that OK with you, oh keeper of the moral code?

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Nov 16 11.51am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think quite a few probably voted without thinking through the longer term economic implications and risks, or the actual risks in terms of their own economic and job security. Ultimately though its perfectly acceptable to take an economic hit, for something you believe to be right or just or necessary. Of course plenty on the Remain side voted for single issues without really contemplating the costs of an exit. As for establishing UK soverignity - I think we can see just how much the exit EU camp feel about Parliamentary Sovereignty when the courts ruled in favour of... UK Parliamentary Sovereignty over Article 50. The Remainers are also perfectly within their rights to pursue their political goal of not leaving the EU - It was a very close referendum. They just have to accept that they only represent around 48% of the population (which incidentally is more than almost every post-war government elected). They're perfectly entitled to pursue a second referendum, or support any democratic method of revisiting that decision, that is fair and just (because that's exactly what the Exit camp would also have done). The whole point of democracy is that 'you don't have to shut up and just accept things', you can change them, provided you do so in a manner that is democratically valid. I think that is the one example where they wouldn't approve for obvious reasons.
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21 Nov 16 11.51am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Of course plenty on the Remain side voted for single issues without really contemplating the costs of an exit.

As for establishing UK soverignity - I think we can see just how much the exit EU camp feel about Parliamentary Sovereignty when the courts ruled in favour of... UK Parliamentary Sovereignty over Article 50.

The whole point of democracy is that 'you don't have to shut up and just accept things', you can change them, provided you do so in a manner that is democratically valid.

I think that is the one example where they wouldn't approve for obvious reasons.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Nov 16 12.08pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think that is the one example where they wouldn't approve for obvious reasons. They're are wrong though, and there isn't really a viable urgency that necessitates bypassing parliament - An exit referendum only establishes that parliament should look to leave the EU. The method and actions it takes, on behalf of the people, must surely go before parliament or a referendum to approve them. Its not like leaving the EU only has one outcome, there is a plethora of issues, policy, decisions and agreements that need to be determined - and a number of different options within those. For me, there should be a general election, with manifestos presented from all parties on how they will implement, negotiate and pursue an exit. This isn't as simple as just saying out of the EU once you get past the decision to leave. There are all manner of options that exist. Some of which are little more than being in the EU with a different name (which would suit the current conservatives to some extent - if they could be members of the EEA but establish parliamentary separation from the EU - We don't want freedom of movement under a different name and slightly different regulations that in essence make little change "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 21 Nov 16 12.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think that is the one example where they wouldn't approve for obvious reasons.

They're are wrong though, and there isn't really a viable urgency that necessitates bypassing parliament - An exit referendum only establishes that parliament should look to leave the EU. The method and actions it takes, on behalf of the people, must surely go before parliament or a referendum to approve them.

Its not like leaving the EU only has one outcome, there is a plethora of issues, policy, decisions and agreements that need to be determined - and a number of different options within those.

For me, there should be a general election, with manifestos presented from all parties on how they will implement, negotiate and pursue an exit.

This isn't as simple as just saying out of the EU once you get past the decision to leave. There are all manner of options that exist. Some of which are little more than being in the EU with a different name (which would suit the current conservatives to some extent - if they could be members of the EEA but establish parliamentary separation from the EU - We don't want freedom of movement under a different name and slightly different regulations that in essence make little change

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Nov 16 12.12pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm not a big fan of physical punishment but discipline is required. I can't stand the modern mentality of letting your kids get away with everything because it's good for their personality. It clearly isn't if you grow up to be a total prick with entitlement issues. Is that OK with you, oh keeper of the moral code? Physical punishment isn't particularly effective and generally represents more parental issues and frustration, rather than corrective. Children, and people in general, respond better to positive reinforcement over negative reinforcement. A quick slap has less of a learning experience than several hours of monotony, or loss of privileges for a week - Generally though the problem tends to be with parents enforcing their own rules. 'Boredom' is a very effective means of punishing children. Far worse, existentially from a child's perspective. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 21 Nov 16 12.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Is that OK with you, oh keeper of the moral code?

Physical punishment isn't particularly effective and generally represents more parental issues and frustration, rather than corrective. Children, and people in general, respond better to positive reinforcement over negative reinforcement.

A quick slap has less of a learning experience than several hours of monotony, or loss of privileges for a week - Generally though the problem tends to be with parents enforcing their own rules.

'Boredom' is a very effective means of punishing children. Far worse, existentially from a child's perspective.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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Hoof Hearted 21 Nov 16 12.15pm
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Child beating should be made compulsory. Hopefully after we leave the EU, it will be. I'm off to get the dubbin out for my belt..... Well done Tim for realising that my post was very much tongue in cheek.... I even predicted Gusset's response to Mrs Hoof as I posted it. It's like I've got him on remote control now.
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Hoof Hearted 21 Nov 16 12.15pm

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Child beating should be made compulsory. Hopefully after we leave the EU, it will be.

I'm off to get the dubbin out for my belt.....

Well done Tim for realising that my post was very much tongue in cheek.... I even predicted Gusset's response to Mrs Hoof as I posted it.

It's like I've got him on remote control now.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Nov 16 12.54pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Well done Tim for realising that my post was very much tongue in cheek.... I even predicted Gusset's response to Mrs Hoof as I posted it. It's like I've got him on remote control now. Backtracking I see. We'll let others judge. On topic... How is Brexit going so far for a staunch leaver such as yourself?
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Shizzlehurst 21 Nov 16 12.54pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Well done Tim for realising that my post was very much tongue in cheek.... I even predicted Gusset's response to Mrs Hoof as I posted it.

It's like I've got him on remote control now.

Backtracking I see. We'll let others judge.

On topic... How is Brexit going so far for a staunch leaver such as yourself?

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 21 Nov 16 12.57pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Backtracking I see. We'll let others judge. On topic... How is Brexit going so far for a staunch leaver such as yourself? I hate to be the one to break it to you but Brexit hasn't actually happened yet. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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