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  Hrolf The Ganger  22 Mar 23 5.36pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Only just read this. This is a conspiracy theory that I so want to believe is true! Made my day. It's common sense and at last something optimistic to look forward to. All the time there are fifth columnists like you around, it is always likely that they will conspire to rob us of our independence for the sake of profit or some deluded idealism. The whole case against Johnson has been whipped up for that very reason. Had he not achieved Brexit, it would have been brushed under the carpet.
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| georgenorman 22 Mar 23 5.59pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Which Prime Minister has been sanctioned for knowingly lying? None as far as I know. That of course does not mean that they have not lied to Parliament.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 22 Mar 23 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
Boris is of course a liar, as are many politicians. Though most may not have been clinking a glass at a party (when lying about it) while they banned you from visiting your dying relatives in hospital, or indeed leaving your house. almost ALL politicians are liars..
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 23 8.09pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
All the time there are fifth columnists like you around, it is always likely that they will conspire to rob us of our independence for the sake of profit or some deluded idealism. The whole case against Johnson has been whipped up for that very reason. Had he not achieved Brexit, it would have been brushed under the carpet. Fifth columnist? I am not an opponent of Brexit hiding among Brexiteers. I am, and always have been, implacably against it and resolved to reverse it asap. For neither personal profit nor idealism. It's because it's the safest and best place for our country in the world we inhabit in the 21st century. The idealism resides solely in the minds of the deluded Brexiteers. No case has been "whipped up" against Johnson. He managed to do that without any assistance from anyone else. Forcing Brexit through via a clever marketing slogan was not an "achievement". It was a travesty.
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| footythoughts Beckenham 22 Mar 23 8.15pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Name a Prime Minister who never lied to Parliament. Oh that's alright then. It gives a stamp of approval to everything you hate about society if you genuinely don't care when you're mugged off by those that claim to represent you.
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| georgenorman 22 Mar 23 9.54pm |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
Oh that's alright then. It gives a stamp of approval to everything you hate about society if you genuinely don't care when you're mugged off by those that claim to represent you. I don't approve of them lying to Parliament. I merely recognise that they do. I have very little respect for those that govern us, they are largely incompetent, waste vast sums of our money and fail to address our real existing problems while creating new ones. We are massively over governed and over taxed. We have so many layers of government now with Parliament, regional assemblies, mayors, county councils, town councils, parish councils, the absurd police commissioners and calls for even more. The biggest benefit of Brexit was the removal of the EU massive layer of government. Edited by georgenorman (22 Mar 2023 9.57pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Mar 23 10.00pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Fifth columnist? I am not an opponent of Brexit hiding among Brexiteers. I am, and always have been, implacably against it and resolved to reverse it asap. For neither personal profit nor idealism. It's because it's the safest and best place for our country in the world we inhabit in the 21st century. The idealism resides solely in the minds of the deluded Brexiteers. No case has been "whipped up" against Johnson. He managed to do that without any assistance from anyone else. Forcing Brexit through via a clever marketing slogan was not an "achievement". It was a travesty. You are an enemy of this country if you campaign to take us back into the EU. Johnson was allegedly guilty of not following his own rules, but the push to get rid of him was more about Remainers than the opposition or the gravity of his apparent misdemeanours. It was a hatchet job in revenge for Brexit, and you know it full well. They used Boris' weakness against him, not for the sake of the electorate, but for their own ambitions. They were prepared to lose the next election to do it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 23 10.18pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are an enemy of this country if you campaign to take us back into the EU. Johnson was allegedly guilty of not following his own rules, but the push to get rid of him was more about Remainers than the opposition or the gravity of his apparent misdemeanours. It was a hatchet job in revenge for Brexit, and you know it full well. They used Boris' weakness against him, not for the sake of the electorate, but for their own ambitions. They were prepared to lose the next election to do it. You make a lot of outrageous claims but that one is off the scale. I love my country and want it to be secure, peaceful and successful. That requires, in my opinion, us being an active member of the EU. Whilst I fundamentally disagree with the reasoning of those who continue to believe we will be better outside, I don't make stupid insulting comments about them. I think they are deluded and misinformed, but they are entitled to be. Nobody has done a hatchet job on Johnson. Exactly the same would have happened to any PM who behaved as he did.
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| footythoughts Beckenham 23 Mar 23 12.48am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are an enemy of this country if you campaign to take us back into the EU. Johnson was allegedly guilty of not following his own rules, but the push to get rid of him was more about Remainers than the opposition or the gravity of his apparent misdemeanours. It was a hatchet job in revenge for Brexit, and you know it full well. They used Boris' weakness against him, not for the sake of the electorate, but for their own ambitions. They were prepared to lose the next election to do it. The Conservative party, post Brexit, has practically and predictably flung the doors open for non EU immigrants to legally enter this country. If immigration was a key issue to you as it was many Brexiteers, you may as well say that Conservative voters are 'enemies to this country' too since this is the result of a party they put in power. Or rather it may be that people have varying ideas about what's best regarding a union with our European neighbours and that when put to a vote in the past or future, votes cast or the resulting outcome is what it is rather in either direction than indication that they're an hysterically declared enemy of the entire nation when they may hold a majority view within it.
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| georgenorman 23 Mar 23 6.57am |
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It would be more interesting if we could find Prime Ministers who haven't lied to Parliament and the country - apart from Tony Blair of course, honest as the day is long. Edited by georgenorman (23 Mar 2023 7.35am)
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cryrst  The garden of England 23 Mar 23 8.01pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
It would be more interesting if we could find Prime Ministers who haven't lied to Parliament and the country - apart from Tony Blair of course, honest as the day is long. Edited by georgenorman (23 Mar 2023 7.35am) And got very rich on the back of his honesty
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 becky over the moon 23 Mar 23 8.26pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
And got very rich on the back of his honesty Not forgetting his wife's human rights legal practice...
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