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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Nov 16 2.00pm
Originally posted by .TUX. All due to the massive inflation that had begun under Heath. To be fair to Heath though, the decision to end our money supply being linked to gold wasn't his and he was powerless to do anything about it (no PM at the time (or anytime) could've as it was taken by those with the real power, the Central Banks). Since the early 70's and the end of the Bretton Woods system, things for 'us' have slowly got worse financially, not better, as many seem to think. We can argue about the details but Heath tried to stand up to crazy wage demands and lost an election because of it. When Labour came back in they just made it worse because Callaghan was too scared to act.
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Originally posted by .TUX.

All due to the massive inflation that had begun under Heath. To be fair to Heath though, the decision to end our money supply being linked to gold wasn't his and he was powerless to do anything about it (no PM at the time (or anytime) could've as it was taken by those with the real power, the Central Banks).
Since the early 70's and the end of the Bretton Woods system, things for 'us' have slowly got worse financially, not better, as many seem to think.

We can argue about the details but Heath tried to stand up to crazy wage demands and lost an election because of it. When Labour came back in they just made it worse because Callaghan was too scared to act.

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steeleye20 Croydon 19 Nov 16 2.28pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger We can argue about the details but Heath tried to stand up to crazy wage demands and lost an election because of it. When Labour came back in they just made it worse because Callaghan was too scared to act. That's right Heath performed valiantly under a siege from the unions and OPEC and it seemed that we had a death wish - 'catching up' wage rises by Wilson led to out of control inflation and labour were reigned in by the 'Gnomes of Zurich'. Remember them? Callaghan sided with the Unions who did not want Barbara Castle's bill 'In place of strife' and won the battle against Wilson and her to labour and the countries detriment. He was not elected by the people like Brown and May.
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Croydon 19 Nov 16 2.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That's right Heath performed valiantly under a siege from the unions and OPEC and it seemed that we had a death wish - 'catching up' wage rises by Wilson led to out of control inflation and labour were reigned in by the 'Gnomes of Zurich'. Remember them?

Callaghan sided with the Unions who did not want Barbara Castle's bill 'In place of strife' and won the battle against Wilson and her to labour and the countries detriment. He was not elected by the people like Brown and May.

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.TUX. 19 Nov 16 3.36pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger We can argue about the details but Heath tried to stand up to crazy wage demands and lost an election because of it. When Labour came back in they just made it worse because Callaghan was too scared to act. With all due respect, giving a few people a pay rise is hardly going to affect an economy to the degree that you claim. You're better than that bud. Buy Litecoin.
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19 Nov 16 3.36pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

With all due respect, giving a few people a pay rise is hardly going to affect an economy to the degree that you claim.
You're better than that bud.

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steeleye20 Croydon 19 Nov 16 4.17pm
Originally posted by .TUX. With all due respect, giving a few people a pay rise is hardly going to affect an economy to the degree that you claim. You're better than that bud. No wage rises of 25-30% set off demands from other workers to keep up and it became a circus throughout the country with price rises following - if the govt didn't give in striking was the response. The electricity workers effectively closed the country down - petrol was all imported then and the opec countries turned the screw cutting supplies and humping the price as the miners struck each time they could.
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Croydon 19 Nov 16 4.17pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

With all due respect, giving a few people a pay rise is hardly going to affect an economy to the degree that you claim.
You're better than that bud.

No wage rises of 25-30% set off demands from other workers to keep up and it became a circus throughout the country with price rises following - if the govt didn't give in striking was the response. The electricity workers effectively closed the country down - petrol was all imported then and the opec countries turned the screw cutting supplies and humping the price as the miners struck each time they could.

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blackpalacefan 19 Nov 16 4.29pm
It doesn't bode well that May is appealing the case. She could've simply gone with a parliamentary vote and she'd have won it handily anyway. In appealing she opens the door for the supreme court to consider arguments other than other being appealed and they can order further restrictions beyond the need to get parliamentary consent. They could add a requirement of consent from the devolved parliaments for instance. She's either playing her hand very badly or intentionally wants this to f*** up while maintaining a "brexit means brexit" mask. I'm guessing she likes 'It wasn't me' by Shaggy.
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It doesn't bode well that May is appealing the case. She could've simply gone with a parliamentary vote and she'd have won it handily anyway. In appealing she opens the door for the supreme court to consider arguments other than other being appealed and they can order further restrictions beyond the need to get parliamentary consent. They could add a requirement of consent from the devolved parliaments for instance.

She's either playing her hand very badly or intentionally wants this to f*** up while maintaining a "brexit means brexit" mask. I'm guessing she likes 'It wasn't me' by Shaggy.

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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Nov 16 5.11pm
Originally posted by .TUX. With all due respect, giving a few people a pay rise is hardly going to affect an economy to the degree that you claim. You're better than that bud. A few people? Wilson and Callaghan could not control the big unions. Some of the pay rises were 12% or more. The point is that at the very time when inflation was on the rise, Heath was confounded in his efforts to contain union demands for more pay and efficiency crippling conditions. Labour fought him all the way and then under Wilson (again) and Callaghan compounded the problem by crumbling to their pay masters. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Nov 2016 5.13pm)
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19 Nov 16 5.11pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

With all due respect, giving a few people a pay rise is hardly going to affect an economy to the degree that you claim.
You're better than that bud.

A few people? Wilson and Callaghan could not control the big unions. Some of the pay rises were 12% or more.

The point is that at the very time when inflation was on the rise, Heath was confounded in his efforts to contain union demands for more pay and efficiency crippling conditions. Labour fought him all the way and then under Wilson (again) and Callaghan compounded the problem by crumbling to their pay masters.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Nov 2016 5.13pm)

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.TUX. 19 Nov 16 5.32pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 No wage rises of 25-30% set off demands from other workers to keep up and it became a circus throughout the country with price rises following - if the govt didn't give in striking was the response. The electricity workers effectively closed the country down - petrol was all imported then and the opec countries turned the screw cutting supplies and humping the price as the miners struck each time they could. The simple demands to meet a massive rise in inflation at the time? You'd not do the same? You completely ignore the global situation in the early 70's and choose to blame a few workers for the problems originally caused by those that rule for some reason? The sad thing is that you'll never change your view or see the bigger picture. Good luck with that. Buy Litecoin.
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19 Nov 16 5.32pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

No wage rises of 25-30% set off demands from other workers to keep up and it became a circus throughout the country with price rises following - if the govt didn't give in striking was the response. The electricity workers effectively closed the country down - petrol was all imported then and the opec countries turned the screw cutting supplies and humping the price as the miners struck each time they could.

The simple demands to meet a massive rise in inflation at the time? You'd not do the same?
You completely ignore the global situation in the early 70's and choose to blame a few workers for the problems originally caused by those that rule for some reason?
The sad thing is that you'll never change your view or see the bigger picture.
Good luck with that.

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.TUX. 19 Nov 16 5.40pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger A few people? Wilson and Callaghan could not control the big unions. Some of the pay rises were 12% or more. The point is that at the very time when inflation was on the rise, Heath was confounded in his efforts to contain union demands for more pay and efficiency crippling conditions. Labour fought him all the way and then under Wilson (again) and Callaghan compounded the problem by crumbling to their pay masters. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Nov 2016 5.13pm) And what was inflation running at? I guess we'll never agree on this particular subject. Along with 'Steeleye', you also seem to miss the bigger picture. But that's just my opinion. Buy Litecoin.
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19 Nov 16 5.40pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A few people? Wilson and Callaghan could not control the big unions. Some of the pay rises were 12% or more.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Nov 2016 5.13pm)

And what was inflation running at?
I guess we'll never agree on this particular subject. Along with 'Steeleye', you also seem to miss the bigger picture. But that's just my opinion.

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davenotamonkey 19 Nov 16 6.07pm
Originally posted by blackpalacefan It doesn't bode well that May is appealing the case. She could've simply gone with a parliamentary vote and she'd have won it handily anyway. In appealing she opens the door for the supreme court to consider arguments other than other being appealed and they can order further restrictions beyond the need to get parliamentary consent. They could add a requirement of consent from the devolved parliaments for instance. She's either playing her hand very badly or intentionally wants this to f* up while maintaining a "brexit means brexit" mask. I'm guessing she likes 'It wasn't me' by Shaggy. I'm glad someone's trying to keep the tread on track ;-) Perhaps a branch of this post for those still stuck in the 70s? You are also correct here - Jolyon Maugham QC (considered "the biggest ** in the Inns of Court) has been non-stop looking for ways to derail or wreck government plans. Here's his latest: [Link] Of course, I'm not a constitutional expert, but last I checked, the EU (and generally, international treaties) are not devolved matters. That doesn't stop prikcs like Maugham attempting to subvert the clear (and it is clear - all that is needed is 50% + 1 vote) message the UK electorate has sent the political class.
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan

She's either playing her hand very badly or intentionally wants this to f*** up while maintaining a "brexit means brexit" mask. I'm guessing she likes 'It wasn't me' by Shaggy.

I'm glad someone's trying to keep the tread on track ;-)

Perhaps a branch of this post for those still stuck in the 70s?

You are also correct here - Jolyon Maugham QC (considered "the biggest **** in the Inns of Court) has been non-stop looking for ways to derail or wreck government plans. Here's his latest:

[Link]

Of course, I'm not a constitutional expert, but last I checked, the EU (and generally, international treaties) are not devolved matters. That doesn't stop prikcs like Maugham attempting to subvert the clear (and it *is* clear - all that is needed is 50% + 1 vote) message the UK electorate has sent the political class.

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Kermit8 Hevon 19 Nov 16 6.15pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey I'm glad someone's trying to keep the tread on track ;-) Perhaps a branch of this post for those still stuck in the 70s? You are also correct here - Jolyon Maugham QC (considered "the biggest **** in the Inns of Court) has been non-stop looking for ways to derail or wreck government plans. Here's his latest: [Link] Of course, I'm not a constitutional expert, but last I checked, the EU (and generally, international treaties) are not devolved matters. That doesn't stop prikcs like Maugham attempting to subvert the clear (and it is clear - all that is needed is 50% + 1 vote) message the UK electorate has sent the political class. It is also very clear that 48.1% of the electorate do not want us to leave the EU. But they, of course, should just be ignored. Could have just done it on a toss of a coin. Arguments for implementing the winning toss would not have been so different. Edited by Kermit8 (19 Nov 2016 6.18pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 19 Nov 16 6.15pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

I'm glad someone's trying to keep the tread on track ;-)

Perhaps a branch of this post for those still stuck in the 70s?

You are also correct here - Jolyon Maugham QC (considered "the biggest **** in the Inns of Court) has been non-stop looking for ways to derail or wreck government plans. Here's his latest:

[Link]

It is also very clear that 48.1% of the electorate do not want us to leave the EU. But they, of course, should just be ignored.

Could have just done it on a toss of a coin. Arguments for implementing the winning toss would not have been so different.

Edited by Kermit8 (19 Nov 2016 6.18pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

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.TUX. 19 Nov 16 6.24pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey I'm glad someone's trying to keep the tread on track ;-) Perhaps a branch of this post for those still stuck in the 70s? You are also correct here - Jolyon Maugham QC (considered "the biggest **** in the Inns of Court) has been non-stop looking for ways to derail or wreck government plans. Here's his latest: [Link] Of course, I'm not a constitutional expert, but last I checked, the EU (and generally, international treaties) are not devolved matters. That doesn't stop prikcs like Maugham attempting to subvert the clear (and it is clear - all that is needed is 50% + 1 vote) message the UK electorate has sent the political class. Ah, the 70's. A time when our parents were far better off than you/i are today but feel free to think that 'progress' now demands two incomes rather than one and ever increasing working hours to meet the same standards that those in flares had. I guess history was never your best subject? Buy Litecoin.
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19 Nov 16 6.24pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

I'm glad someone's trying to keep the tread on track ;-)

Perhaps a branch of this post for those still stuck in the 70s?

You are also correct here - Jolyon Maugham QC (considered "the biggest **** in the Inns of Court) has been non-stop looking for ways to derail or wreck government plans. Here's his latest:

[Link]

Ah, the 70's. A time when our parents were far better off than you/i are today but feel free to think that 'progress' now demands two incomes rather than one and ever increasing working hours to meet the same standards that those in flares had.
I guess history was never your best subject?

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matt_himself Matataland 19 Nov 16 6.26pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 It is also very clear that 48.1% of the electorate do not want us to leave the EU. But they, of course, should just be ignored. Could have just done it on a toss of a coin. Arguments for implementing the winning toss would not have been so different. Edited by Kermit8 (19 Nov 2016 6.18pm)[/ 48.1% of vote bought by the establishment following one of the most negative political campaigns in history. No vision from Remain, just dire warnings the majority saw through. No vision from the EU. Now, just threats from that 'enlightened' organisation. You backed a winner, Michael, just so you couldn't be called racist and could cock a sneer at the white working class. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 19 Nov 16 6.26pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

It is also very clear that 48.1% of the electorate do not want us to leave the EU. But they, of course, should just be ignored.

Could have just done it on a toss of a coin. Arguments for implementing the winning toss would not have been so different.

Edited by Kermit8 (19 Nov 2016 6.18pm)[/

48.1% of vote bought by the establishment following one of the most negative political campaigns in history.

No vision from Remain, just dire warnings the majority saw through.

No vision from the EU. Now, just threats from that 'enlightened' organisation.

You backed a winner, Michael, just so you couldn't be called racist and could cock a sneer at the white working class.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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