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Spiderman Horsham 10 Mar 23 6.40pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Asylum is the growth industry of the tory years. It hardly existed before. If you want a career move, get into migration. Another 500 millions today the UK paying for a migrant centre, plus the 70 millions per annum that have resulted in the number of crossings doubled, 120 millions to Rwanda for 200 slots that may never be used. Think what the accommodation bill will now be and how many people are now employed in this. Imagine the legal costs going forward of the latest bill. And all for something that could have been avoided. The most money is being made by the HR lawyers, thanks to the Labour introduced HRA. What was Mrs Blair’s occupation? Oh yes HR Lawyer Mmm
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Mar 23 7.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
How many did we previously return? It really didn’t work as a deterrent, unless you have statistics to prove otherwise. I know you blame Brexit for this but that really is wide of the mark. You could, of course, apportion blame to the French who make no effort whatsoever to stop them, as a “punishment “ for Brexit, how childish of them, going against International law. Edited by Spiderman (10 Mar 2023 6.46pm) I included the numbers previously returned above. Well if it wasn’t a deterrent why have the numbers shot up so drastically since 2019 - that’s what I’m asking?
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Mar 23 7.19pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
209 in 2019 only, which is a reasonable percentage of people making the crossing back then. There were 510 returned in 2015, 362 in 2016 and 314 in 2017. Back in 2008 and 2009 it was over 1000 per year. Year Transfers in to the UK / Transfers out of the UK Yes, it was going really well. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Mar 2023 7.21pm)
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Mar 23 7.25pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I included the numbers previously returned above. Well if it wasn’t a deterrent why have the numbers shot up so drastically since 2019 - that’s what I’m asking? Believe me, the threat of being returned deterred very few, if any. The smugglers were aware that the chances of their customers being removed was slim ( not that they worried) . In all my years of working in Border Force very few were removed under Dublin Convention, for reasons I previously mentioned.
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Teddy Eagle 10 Mar 23 7.25pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I included the numbers previously returned above. Well if it wasn’t a deterrent why have the numbers shot up so drastically since 2019 - that’s what I’m asking? Presumably because Covid restrictions made other avenues more difficult?
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Mar 23 7.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Presumably because Covid restrictions made other avenues more difficult? Don’t be silly
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HKOwen Hong Kong 11 Mar 23 6.18am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Asylum is the growth industry of the tory years. It hardly existed before. If you want a career move, get into migration. Another 500 millions today the UK paying for a migrant centre, plus the 70 millions per annum that have resulted in the number of crossings doubled, 120 millions to Rwanda for 200 slots that may never be used. Think what the accommodation bill will now be and how many people are now employed in this. Imagine the legal costs going forward of the latest bill. And all for something that could have been avoided. I don't disagree that the situation is out of hand and the costs are ridiculous. What I don't agree with is the absurd assertion that it is deliberate. I have still seen nothing from Sir Kier other than waffle on what Labour would actually do. As usual they only say they wouldn't do what the Government is doing. I would happily support any party that comes up with a solution. Edited by HKOwen (11 Mar 2023 6.19am)
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 11 Mar 23 8.08am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Year Transfers in to the UK / Transfers out of the UK Yes, it was going really well. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Mar 2023 7.21pm) Which more than anything makes a mockery of the idea that refugees only want to come here - I’m assuming all of those returned here must have been here and tried to travel elsewhere?
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 11 Mar 23 8.19am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Believe me, the threat of being returned deterred very few, if any. The smugglers were aware that the chances of their customers being removed was slim ( not that they worried) . In all my years of working in Border Force very few were removed under Dublin Convention, for reasons I previously mentioned. The numbers as to how many removed are there - we don’t need to debate it, it’s a matter of record. The fact you claim arrivals get more help here than elsewhere does not explain the fact that many many times more people are attempting the crossing now than 5 years ago - since 2019 we’ve gone from hundreds a year to tens of thousands and I don’t know of any changes as to what arrivals can expect to receive in that time. It’s not a fact most people ignore - it’s a point which has been made and answered so many times. This is a good answer to it: [Tweet Link]
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 11 Mar 23 8.23am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Presumably because Covid restrictions made other avenues more difficult? Would make sense, yeah - doesn’t explain why it would still be the case now though. It’s also good to acknowledge that closing down legal routes merely encourages more people to make the crossing and so the government have knowingly contributed to this ‘crisis’.
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Teddy Eagle 11 Mar 23 8.29am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Would make sense, yeah - doesn’t explain why it would still be the case now though. It’s also good to acknowledge that closing down legal routes merely encourages more people to make the crossing and so the government have knowingly contributed to this ‘crisis’. Only guessing but maybe the organised criminal element got more involved/established over that time?
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Spiderman Horsham 11 Mar 23 8.51am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
The numbers as to how many removed are there - we don’t need to debate it, it’s a matter of record. The fact you claim arrivals get more help here than elsewhere does not explain the fact that many many times more people are attempting the crossing now than 5 years ago - since 2019 we’ve gone from hundreds a year to tens of thousands and I don’t know of any changes as to what arrivals can expect to receive in that time. It’s not a fact most people ignore - it’s a point which has been made and answered so many times. This is a good answer to it: [Tweet Link] I have had many dealings with JCWI over the years and not always seen eye to eye. She makes some good points, however those crossing the Channel who are from French speaking West Africa, with no family here should be accepted by the French? Not sure where that leaves the Albanians!
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