In other news the Russians continue to take ground in Ukraine and the media continue to largely keep quiet about it.

The EU are discussing ways of ignoring Hungary's opposition to giving Ukraine a huge 50 billion (EU democracy) and in America it looks like funding will be delayed until at least early new year.

All money the western taxpayer won't get back.

Biden will have to make significant changes to border policy for it to happen....and the republicans won't allow him to fake it.

However, I expect them to eventually get that 60 billion to Ukraine somehow regardless.

All money that is ultimately being thrown away to attempt to rescue a situation that makes no sense.....Hitler found out that population size defeats quality of army if your opponent is ruthless enough. The Soviets beat Germany despite losing around four or five times as many people against them.

However, the supporters of this war will fight until the last Ukrainian....press ganging men into the army along the way, which has been happening for some time in Ukraine....even woman are now being put into the army.

It's been said since the start, Ukraine can't win an attritional war, only Russia can.

There's a lack of common sense, but ok, we will watch it play out because that's what was decided.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Dec 2023 10.58am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You see this all the time, people who won't read a thread but want you to continually repeat yourself because they think what they type is some kind of gotcha.

I've pretty much covered those points all on this thread but I won't be told to self censor.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Dec 2023 11.26am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

If you stick around long enough you will realise this is a standard pattern. As soon as a boxed in corner is encountered the personal attacks come out to try to divert the thread. Brick walls are more pliable.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Perhaps better if ALL posters stick to the topic.......

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

having avoided this thread cos of ....boredom with constant wars....i saw all the usual msm propaganda today and have decided that 'we' are losing this War.

and i got absolutely zero sympathy for NATO , the EU, the yanks and anybody else stupid enough to march their flags in the footsteps of Napoleon & Hitler.

To describe it as another Vietnam would be an understatement.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (20 Dec 2023 4.49pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Some interesting chatter out there about special flights from Russia landing in the US and regime barometers such as the 'Washington Post' deleting their specific Ukraine section.

Could be moving into the end game here.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.