I think there may be a tendency to over-estimate the damage Sunak has done. Yes , there is huge damage to the party. There is massive inner turmoil and uncertainty.
However, the British Public are largely a people of voting habit. In spite of voicing pre-election concern, the majority of Tory voters are unlikely to shift allegiance. However badly the Tories have messed up (and they would struggle to do worse), Tory voters still fear the unknown of Labour Government.

I disengage, I turn the page.

Not unknown to 40 plus year olds. We remember bliar and his f*** up.
Also this labour will be overrun with socialists within a year and the seemingly moderate starmer will be gone. That’s when the labour newby voters will realise that socialism is ok until you run out of other peoples money. It will be their money

I will ignore the hysterical express type garbage of individual
immigrants committing crimes. However there is empirical evidence (Danish?) showing a link between immigration and crime. This does not surprise me.

They drop straight to the bottom of the socioeconomic pile. They are poor and disconnected to the culture around them. They cling together in collectives, some good some bad.

Most put us to shame with their work rate and energy and dreams for a better life for their kids. Some aren't so effective and drop into crime.

Albanians maybe. But I doubt many members of criminal Somali gangs saw their future as low level gangster when they got off the plane.

Immigration has heavily been weighted to young men.

Most crime is committed by young men ergo if you increase the proportion of blond haired blue eyed young men crime will go up. I don't see this as a racist issue more about demographics.

If we imported 600k pensioners each year would anyone be surprised if the number of hip and knee replacements went up.

One more point

Here's my problem with this highlighted thought.

If we accept your contention that foreign immigrants work harder....and I think there are many nuances to that argument...but ok.

Why should I care?

Are you making arguments for the business lobby here or for the British people.

Shall we give the country away to the world's hardest workers around the world so that those that can exploit that labour live easier lives?

No, in my opinion...and if I don't mind saying so myself....the opinion of most non western countries and in Britain up until Blair, a social contract should exist within societies that their leaders bat for them....not imports.

As for the point regarding crime and immigration being due to socioeconomic issues....to a lesser extent that explains it....you also touch on the cultural disconnect which is also true.

However, the reality is that if you divide crime down to ethnicities you find that poor whites commit crime at lower levels wherever you look within societies.

Poor whites commit crime at lower rates aboard as well....the only exception I believe is for south east Asians who have the very lowest crime rates....and they are raised within homogeneous societies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2024 9.05pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Empirical evidence from one source is used to justify a sweeping claim? There’s lots of more reliable evidence from here and elsewhere which contradicts it.

Most immigrants to the UK come here either on work or student visas. Hardly dropping to any socioeconomic pile. Some others, especially the illegals, are poor and feeling disconnected will naturally form groups. Some may turn to crime. We must do our best to support them and avoid those consequences.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.