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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Feb 22 12.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Fair point but it does then beg the question what exactly do you have to do wrong to get to the stage where you no longer get the support of your party? We have enough crises in this country to stay in power for ever on the basis you ignore misgivings when one arises. Im not for knee jerk reactions but this PM has lost the confidence of the public which means he is harming his party and should go. I think he will go if senior party figures believe that he has become a liability in terms of votes. Right now all we have are some light weighs throwing their toys around.
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Feb 22 12.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I agree. Johnson has always looked like a joke to me and, I suspect, to many overseas. Now though he looks like a bad joke to almost everyone. If the UK expects to be respected and it's word to be taken seriously, then our PM needs to be a serious politician and to show respect. He has to go. For every conceivable reason. I think the delay is not that he is going but in deciding who Central Office will anoint as his successor. That's a big decision as it will set the course of the Tory Party, and the country, for years to come. More of the same, or a change of direction? Possibly the best reason to keep him I have seen so far.
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Eaglecoops CR3 05 Feb 22 12.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think he will go if senior party figures believe that he has become a liability in terms of votes. Right now all we have are some light weighs throwing their toys around. Its been discussed on here many times but there is a serious lack of depth to the party with regard to who would be a decent replacement. I also agree that the Boris buffoonery has been part of his charm and ultimately his popularity however, he is hoping that the same approach will see him escape from annoying the public and I think he is gravely mistaken.
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steeleye20 Croydon 05 Feb 22 3.17pm | |
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It's quite amazing if people consider Sunak suitable, Johnson's main political error is not to sack him early enough. Now, despite the cost of living crisis huge tax increases aimed at people who just can't afford them, dumb people think he's good. The crisis could be repaired by at least reversing Sunaks policies which do nothing for people and merely protect the assets of his rich mates. The present economic crisis is Sunak himself.
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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 05 Feb 22 5.13pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It's quite amazing if people consider Sunak suitable, Johnson's main political error is not to sack him early enough. Now, despite the cost of living crisis huge tax increases aimed at people who just can't afford them, dumb people think he's good. The crisis could be repaired by at least reversing Sunaks policies which do nothing for people and merely protect the assets of his rich mates. The present economic crisis is Sunak himself.
The current crisis can be attributed to China. Don't forget it was they who unleashed Covid19 on the planet and inflated fuel prices through their consumption. Yet we still go on importing all their goods because we are a nation of profiteering middle men not innovators and manufacturers. Prices must keep rising to protect the profit margins for middle men. Edited by Henry of Peckham (05 Feb 2022 5.20pm)
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BlueJay UK 06 Feb 22 11.04am | |
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France to force EDF to take 8.4bn hit with energy bill cap - [Link] "The French government will force EDF, the state energy giant, to take an 8.4bn (£7bn) financial hit to protect households from rocketing energy costs by limiting bill hikes to 4% this year."
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BlueJay UK 06 Feb 22 1.34pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
France to force EDF to take 8.4bn hit with energy bill cap - [Link] "The French government will force EDF, the state energy giant, to take an 8.4bn (£7bn) financial hit to protect households from rocketing energy costs by limiting bill hikes to 4% this year." Not saying this is better or worse than our approach. Though of course with energy companies making record profits and households paying record bills it does pose questions about the influence that corporations wield. Good luck seeing these prices return to normal even if the markets stabilise and oil prices drop.
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BlueJay UK 06 Feb 22 5.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It's all very socialist to be wetting your knickers about a Downing Street party when the Russians are threatening to invade the second biggest country in Europe. Equally, the halfwits on the Tory back benches who see this as an opportunity really need to wise up quick. Most of your mates on here don't even appear to know who they'd back in such a situation, so I'm not quite sure what you imagine Boris is going to do about any of it. At the end of the day, Boris was the one giving what he no doubt viewed to be 'all in it together' Churchillian speeches, while actively mugging people off who were making the biggest and most costly scarifies at his request or indeed order. Plenty of lifelong Conservatives I know have lost faith in the bloke and I can hardly blame them. The clearly issue with dithcing Boris is that there is no obvious replacement. If he hangs on that will be why, but it's hardly a ringing endorsement.
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Matov 06 Feb 22 5.32pm | |
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Boris needs to go for simply an appalling sense of leadership. Attending those gatherings was imbecilic, even if you can make some weasel arguments about them just about being within the letter of the law. Contrast that with the Queen for the funeral of her husband who was offered a chance to have the rules bent but instead chose to stick to the ones that everybody had to abide by. Absolute, 100%, 22 Caret leadership. Even ardent Republicans are using her by way of an example of how leadership should be done. Johnson is an absolute fraud. And simply not fit for office.
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BlueJay UK 06 Feb 22 5.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Boris needs to go for simply an appalling sense of leadership. Attending those gatherings was imbecilic, even if you can make some weasel arguments about them just about being within the letter of the law. Contrast that with the Queen for the funeral of her husband who was offered a chance to have the rules bent but instead chose to stick to the ones that everybody had to abide by. Absolute, 100%, 22 Caret leadership. Even ardent Republicans are using her by way of an example of how leadership should be done. Johnson is an absolute fraud. And simply not fit for office. Well said. I can't say from a personal perspective that I'm bothered if he stays or goes, because I'm not going to vote next time around anyway. From the perspective of character alone though, if this is suddenly fine you have to wonder what isn't. In politics, the standard is so low it takes a lot to shock and disgust, but he's somehow managed it..
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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 22 5.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Boris needs to go for simply an appalling sense of leadership. Attending those gatherings was imbecilic, even if you can make some weasel arguments about them just about being within the letter of the law. Contrast that with the Queen for the funeral of her husband who was offered a chance to have the rules bent but instead chose to stick to the ones that everybody had to abide by. Absolute, 100%, 22 Caret leadership. Even ardent Republicans are using her by way of an example of how leadership should be done. Johnson is an absolute fraud. And simply not fit for office. Johnson is there to win elections. I don't really have an issue with your attitude towards him as he isn't really a Tory anyway....turned out to be some green liberal, who apart from Brexit, was worst than May....and wow, that takes some doing. But it's usually not great to do what the left want....and the left want Johnson gone because all the incoming contenders have a charisma vacuum similar to their leader.....with two boring figureheads we are back to May/Corbyn and they will win back a lot of those red wall seats. Also, the media are gung ho for proving their power over the political process so that also bothers me.....they hold information on figures and wait until it most benefits them.....I don't like rewarding that either. So personally I'm a bit conflicted on it.....can't stand Johnson but I don't play my opponent's game. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 5.49pm)
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Matov 06 Feb 22 5.49pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
The only argument in the defence of this modern political class is that they have nothing really to look back on when it comes to Covid. Nothing to reference back to and the truth is that it was/is a crisis that has required a level of genuine leadership that nobody I can immediately think of has responded to in any kind of admirable manner. In fact, once again, only the Queen seems to emerge with any kind of genuine credit and I am not sure she can be used by way of measuring our current political class.
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