Or they simply proved their point. Their influence has been seen to be far greater than I think any of us had realised.

Yes, part of me changing my mind.

I was never against them. I just didn’t like some of the songs, the police escorts they could’ve broken rather than waited for, things like that. But a lot of that is young football fan groups anyway. They act differently when there’s no police protection. Most of them do. The black clothing has never bothered me.

As annoying as many view it, I now also think the drum is necessary in all seater stadia to create an atmosphere. The out of time chanting proves that and means people stop and it fizzles out compared to with the drum when certain songs (not SE25 and la la la la Crystal Palace) don’t.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (01 Nov 2018 11.11am)

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You are so right

The singing is much more fun than most of the football we have been playing

Sadly neither the football nor the singing is up to scratch at the moment

I have to say, for once I think Willo has nailed it.

All good. Nothing bad.

"Forced out", sonny Jim. Forced out.

As of yet we haven't been "shifted" anywhere. They don't know where they're shifting us to yet. They've not worked it out. 400 seats in a ground with 92% season ticket renewals isn't an easy one to fix, poor loves.

And I may sit in E Block but I don't yet have a "thermos and blanket". Or a prawn sandwich.

I don't blame the HF for this, there's only one man to blame, the first CPFC chairman to drive a wedge through Palace fans.

Zaha, Williams, Murray, Ambrose, Scannell.

A 5-man forward line who scored 3 goals in 10 minutes on 27th September 2011 at .......................

I don't personally know any of the HF or any of the fans that may be displaced by the current initiative. What I do know is that our fans have never been noisier nor the atmosphere better at Selhurst since the HF started doing their thing. They are currently greatly missed, although last weekend's effort to organise fans in the Arthur was fairly good.

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When I watch videos such as this I'm very proud of what the fans have done, and I'm proud to be associated with this club. I've been going to Selhurst since 1967 and what the HF have achieved over the past few years is better by miles than anything previously. The displays are excellent and would not have happened without the HF, even though many others participate, obviously.

So I can see a great future ahead once the HF are relocated into the middle of the lower Holmesdale, as it's fair to assume that the displays will only get bigger and better. I think it's crazy to say that the HF are an embarrassment, other fans are just jealous of what we have (when it's good).

Yes, I do feel sorry for the fans that need to move to allow this development to happen, and the club needs to do everything it can to accommodate them wherever they wish to go, but nobody is forcing them out, just asking them to move. Or they can stay and join in with the HF.