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 Stuk  Top half 26 Apr 18 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by Adamoc123
Indeed this was pretty much an all or nothing game, hopefully we won't be thrust into a similar situation against Stoke, although having West Brom as a last chance rather than Man Utd is a softer cushion than last years tribulations Hopefully not, the sooner it's done the better. The only good thing about last season was that when we did beat Hull to be safe, we did it with style rather than a nerve jangling 1-0 or similar.
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| victor43 St. Albans 26 Apr 18 1.59pm |
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Originally posted by Wilbraham413
One thing in our favor regarding Liverpool-Stoke is that Klopp was in a rage following their draw to WBA. He was whining that he needed the points and WBA didn't, as if that matters. Based on that, he's not going to want drop points at Anfield to Stoke. That being said, Stoke isn't our main problem, if they catch us, it means we will have lost every match the rest of the way. We need to worry about Southampton and Swansea. Take care of business at home against a Leicester side with nothing to play for, and then we'll be almost guaranteed of staying up. If we lose to Leicester, then we will need points at Stoke, and things could get ugly fast. I seem to remember last year we couldn't get points at this stage of the season, and ended up having to get something off of Hull on the last day. Don't want to go through that again this year.
In the end we didn't actually need to beat Hull, as they got smashed by Spurs and finished on 34 points. But I suppose they were down by then. One crazy thing I just noticed, is that no team this season can finish losing more games than we did last year (21). We really were a win or lose team last year (only drew 5 games). This season has been frustrating but a much more consistent level of performance I think. Have only lost 15 games - only 8 since that incredibly bad start! Could potentially lose 6 games less than last year... Sunderland were absolutely dreadful, lost 26 games. West Brom haven't been that bad for a team that's been relegated for ages. Only lost 18 (max can lose is 21). Not sure what this adds but thought it was interesting! Maybe it help show that we are a bit harder to beat..
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 26 Apr 18 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by Wilbraham413
One thing in our favor regarding Liverpool-Stoke is that Klopp was in a rage following their draw to WBA. He was whining that he needed the points and WBA didn't, as if that matters. Based on that, he's not going to want drop points at Anfield to Stoke. That being said, Stoke isn't our main problem, if they catch us, it means we will have lost every match the rest of the way. We need to worry about Southampton and Swansea. Take care of business at home against a Leicester side with nothing to play for, and then we'll be almost guaranteed of staying up. If we lose to Leicester, then we will need points at Stoke, and things could get ugly fast. I seem to remember last year we couldn't get points at this stage of the season, and ended up having to get something off of Hull on the last day. Don't want to go through that again this year.
As long as we match Stoke's result on Saturday they won't overtake us even if they beat us next week. They play in the early kick off so we will know what we need to do in terms of ensuring we finish above Stoke before the Leicester game. In terms of other teams though we need to be getting a point at least on Saturday to ease the pressure. Every point we get is another than the sides below us need to overtake us. Importantly it would mean Swansea need more than a win to overtake due to goal difference, and Southampton more than 2 wins. Huddersfield and Wet Spam would also then need to find a win or a couple of draws from their difficult fixture lists. Combining all of that convinces me that a point will be enough. I'm hoping for 3 on Saturday though to make absolutely certain!
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| Gary St.Andrews Kenley 26 Apr 18 10.22pm |
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There is a reason that WBA, Stoke and Southampton are in the bottom 3 apart from being s*** for the best part of the season. The main reason is they never signed any quality. As for Southampton they have sold all of their best players and never replaced them for the past 5 seasons now, and it has come back to haunt them. You can get away with it for so long, but you will eventually get relegated. We will get away with it by the skin of our teeth on this occasion, but I fear for us next season, unless we are more proactive in the transfer market.
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| Ecopalace Wickham 28 Apr 18 12.01pm |
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Just looking at the Stoke line-up, they really should not be in this situation with the players they have. Butland, Zouma, Indi, shawcross, Shaqiri, Allan, Diouf.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 28 Apr 18 12.16pm |
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Strong lineup for Liverpool. Salah and Firminho in but with Ings up
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 28 Apr 18 12.36pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Strong lineup for Liverpool. Salah and Firminho in but with Ings up Salah just missed a sitter.
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| mattteo 28 Apr 18 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews
There is a reason that WBA, Stoke and Southampton are in the bottom 3 apart from being s*** for the best part of the season. The main reason is they never signed any quality. As for Southampton they have sold all of their best players and never replaced them for the past 5 seasons now, and it has come back to haunt them. You can get away with it for so long, but you will eventually get relegated.
Southampton: Tadic (who was their best player the last 3 seasons) has had a mediocre season. Charlie Austin has been outstanding up until his injury. Carrillo has come in the winter, hasn't really settled in, he needs time. Shane Long used to be very good but he's now past 30 and has become quite average. WBA: Chadli (arguably their most important man in their 10 place finish last year) hasn't played at all all season. Livermore is just a defensive midfielder. Burke has hardly played, they deemed him too young. Matt Phillips had to carry everything by himself and had a moderate to modest season. Couple that with the fact that the other offensive players were average or pretty poor (McClean, Rondon, Jay Rodriguez) and they couldn't guarantee enough goals up front. Stoke: N'diaye has just come in the winter. They were playing chubby Charlie Adam there until then. Many players are too old, too big and too slow for top tier football anymore (Pieters, Adam, even Shawcross). Mame Diouf has been used as a right midfielder or right wingback most of the season, a position from which he can't really do much. Shaqiri has been good but on his own can't do everything. Choupo Moting has been pretty good too (better than Benteke anyway)
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| YT Oxford 28 Apr 18 12.47pm |
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Originally posted by Ecopalace
Just looking at the Stoke line-up, they really should not be in this situation with the players they have. Butland, Zouma, Indi, shawcross, Shaqiri, Allan, Diouf. Reminds me of us having Jackson, Rogers, Whittle, Cooke, Hughes, Cannon, Blyth...in 1972/73. Too good to go down we were. (Did we have Possee too, or did he join for the next disastrous season in Div 2?)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 28 Apr 18 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by mattteo
Southampton: Tadic (who was their best player the last 3 seasons) has had a mediocre season. Charlie Austin has been outstanding up until his injury. Carrillo has come in the winter, hasn't really settled in, he needs time. Shane Long used to be very good but he's now past 30 and has become quite average. WBA: Chadli (arguably their most important man in their 10 place finish last year) hasn't played at all all season. Livermore is just a defensive midfielder. Burke has hardly played, they deemed him too young. Matt Phillips had to carry everything by himself and had a moderate to modest season. Couple that with the fact that the other offensive players were average or pretty poor (McClean, Rondon, Jay Rodriguez) and they couldn't guarantee enough goals up front. Stoke: N'diaye has just come in the winter. They were playing chubby Charlie Adam there until then. Many players are too old, too big and too slow for top tier football anymore (Pieters, Adam, even Shawcross). Mame Diouf has been used as a right midfielder or right wingback most of the season, a position from which he can't really do much. Shaqiri has been good but on his own can't do everything. Choupo Moting has been pretty good too (better than Benteke anyway)
Stoke sold Arnautovic to a low table/mid table previously rival. Him and Shakiri is a lot for full backs/wing backs and all defenders to worry about. Austin at Southampton was always going to be injured. That cannot be an excuse for them. Their problem was not only selling all players the big clubs came in for, although possibly difficult to prevent, but sacking managers doing what’s required. They’ve made a similar mistake there as Charlton. Fans and club share blame there. They also hired Pellegrino when de Boer suited their football more. They haven’t reinvested revenue from player sales. Derisory bids for players made apparently including the last window when they sold van Dijk for a mammoth sum. Should help them come back up mind you. West Brom sacking Pulis for Pardew is about as mental as you can get and the decision makers were sacked after Pardew proved how mental it was.
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chateauferret  28 Apr 18 1.12pm |
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Bin dippers doing exactly what you'd expect from that lot at home against Stoke.
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| Ecopalace Wickham 28 Apr 18 1.29pm |
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Hate to say it but this has got 0-1 Stoke all over it with a late Crouch goal.
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