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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 09 Apr 13 10.40pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

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In election terms 50% is a landslide!


Who got 50% in an election Penge?

I didn't say that. It's easy to dismiss the 50% as meaningless, however not so when comparing those kind of figures to an election win.

 

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Moose Flag In the sewer pipe... 09 Apr 13 10.40pm Send a Private Message to Moose Add Moose as a friend

Quote Penge Eagle at 09 Apr 2013 10.31pm

You must be proud Nick...


Pretty disgusting.

Ah, Socialist Worker - one of the great oxymorons!

 


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Just checking: is she still dead?


Yes she is....But long before she went she killed your political ideology.

Je suis Marxiste ... tendance Groucho.
Je n'oublie jamais un visage, mais dans votre cas je ferai une exception.

Edited by Pinky (09 Apr 2013 7.59pm)

Raisins verts ..... Même le miroir ne peut pas être dérangé pour vous rappeler votre visage ...... Stirlingsays.

Quand les mouettes suivent le chalutier, il est parce qu'elles pensent que des sardines seront jetées dans la mer

 

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Just checking: is she still dead?


Yes she is....But long before she went she killed your political ideology.

Je suis Marxiste ... tendance Groucho.
Je n'oublie jamais un visage, mais dans votre cas je ferai une exception.

Edited by Pinky (09 Apr 2013 7.59pm)

Raisins verts ..... Même le miroir ne peut pas être dérangé pour vous rappeler votre visage ...... Stirlingsays.

Quand les mouettes suivent le chalutier, il est parce qu'elles pensent que des sardines seront jetées dans la mer

fack off cantona

 

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Just checking: is she still dead?


Yes she is....But long before she went she killed your political ideology.

Je suis Marxiste ... tendance Groucho.
Je n'oublie jamais un visage, mais dans votre cas je ferai une exception.

Edited by Pinky (09 Apr 2013 7.59pm)

Raisins verts ..... Même le miroir ne peut pas être dérangé pour vous rappeler votre visage ...... Stirlingsays.

Quand les mouettes suivent le chalutier, il est parce qu'elles pensent que des sardines seront jetées dans la mer

fack off cantona

I think that's something we can all agree on, regardless of political persuasion.

 


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Quote Pinky at 09 Apr 2013 7.52pm

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Quote Pinky at 09 Apr 2013 2.42pm

Just checking: is she still dead?


Yes she is....But long before she went she killed your political ideology.

Je suis Marxiste ... tendance Groucho.
Je n'oublie jamais un visage, mais dans votre cas je ferai une exception.

Edited by Pinky (09 Apr 2013 7.59pm)

Raisins verts ..... Même le miroir ne peut pas être dérangé pour vous rappeler votre visage ...... Stirlingsays.

Quand les mouettes suivent le chalutier, il est parce qu'elles pensent que des sardines seront jetées dans la mer

fack off cantona

Vous êtes Matthew Simmonds, et je réclame mon £25 (29.27 euros) …

 

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When the Thatch came into power, child poverty stood at 1 in 7, when she left, it was 1 in 3. If that's what you define as success, then you are warped.


My advice would be to look beyond the partisan, distorted report headlines and not to be spoonfed by them.


Touche.

Wasn't in the paper or on the news though was it?

Even worse - a left wing blog!

No from a save the children report on child poverty.
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Quote Willo at 09 Apr 2013 6.23pm

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If you didnt know who she was but saw the list of 'anti's' getting their two penneth in over her corpse then you would have a natural instinct to be on her side purely because of the odious collection lining up

I ask - Where does it come from, this vitriloic loathing? Anti-Thatcherites tell you that it’s because she closed down the old industries. (She didn’t, of course, she simply stopped obliging everyone else to support them.)

Yet it must surely be patently obvious by now that nothing would have kept the dockyards and coalmines and steel mills open. A similar process of de-industrialisation has unfolded in every other Western European country, and the only parties that still talk of “reviving our manufacturing base” are Respect, the Scottish Socialists and the BNP !!!!

RIP

Willo


Its not so much the closing down, its the manner in which they were closed down, and the population, few of whom voted conservative, were just left to deal with the fact that employment was ripped out almost overnight, leaving hundreds chasing single jobs.



Uneconomic pits have routinely closed since the war, why should uneconomic mining be subsidised when no other industry was, and when from the 1960's we had the benefit ofNorth Sea oil and gas?


Simply untrue! Although some exploration of oil and gas fields went on from 60s, the Brent field in UK waters wasn't even discovered until 1971, and the first oil wasn't pumped (at a relatively modest level initially) from the Argyl field until 1975. Revenue from the taxation of oil commenced in a significant way from 1980 onwards.

The revenue from oil and the proceeds of privatisations could have been used b Hesletine to regenerate the country, but were instead used to fund income tax cuts for the higher paid instead.

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West Sole came onstream in 1967.

 

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And a lot less than 50% gave her a mandate.


That's true....But the ever present truth from all elections is that no party ever has a real mandate.

They just have more of a mandate than the other showers.


You still wear mandate don't you Stirling?

That's not like you Nick!

Davidoff, as it happens.....What you wearing? 'Brute' by Arthur Scargill?

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2013 10.59pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Apr 13 11.08pm

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Quote Stirlingsays at 09 Apr 2013 10.21pm

Quote nickgusset at 09 Apr 2013 10.17pm

And a lot less than 50% gave her a mandate.


That's true....But the ever present truth from all elections is that no party ever has a real mandate.

They just have more of a mandate than the other showers.


You still wear mandate don't you Stirling?

That's not like you Nick!

Davidoff, as it happens.....What you wearing? 'Brute' by Arthur Scargill?

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2013 10.59pm)

I wear Gaultier...

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Apr 13 11.13pm

Who wrote this in the London Review of Books 25 years ago..?


"What makes things even worse for radical, progressive spirits is that the Ultra-Right appears to be even more in control of the Conservative Party this year than it has been previously. Mrs Thatcher clearly regards herself as a dea ex machina, sent down from on high to ‘knock Britain into shape’. She will wield her power over the next few years dictatorially and without compunction. On the other hand, there is a tremendous danger – to which Dr Owen has succumbed – in believing that ‘Thatcherism’ is somehow now invincible, that it has established a new consensus and that all the rest of us can do is debate alternatives within its framework. It is essential to demythologise ‘Thatcherism’.

Mrs Thatcher has enjoyed two advantages over any other post-war premier. First, her arrival in Downing Street coincided with North Sea oil. The importance of this windfall to the Government’s political survival is incalculable. It has brought almost 70 billion pounds into the Treasury coffers since 1979, which is roughly equivalent to sevenpence on the standard rate of income tax for every year of Tory government. Without oil and asset sales, which themselves have totalled over £30 billion, Britain under the Tories could not have enjoyed tax cuts, nor could the Government have funded its commitments on public spending. More critical has been the balance-of-payments effect of oil. The economy has been growing under the impetus of a consumer boom that would have made Lord Barber blush. Bank lending has been growing at an annual rate of around 20 per cent (excluding borrowing to fund house purchases); credit-card debt has been increasing at a phenomenal rate; and these have combined to bring a retail-sales boom – which shows up dramatically in an increase in imported consumer goods. Previously such a boom and growth in imports would have produced a balance-of-payments deficit, a plunging currency and an immediate reining-back on spending, with lower rates of growth.

Instead, oil has earned foreign exchange and also produces remittance payments from overseas investments bought with oil money. The situation is neither stable nor healthy in the long term: but in the short term it allows the living standards of the majority to rise rapidly, even though the industrial base, the ultimate foundation of a successful economy, is still only achieving the levels of output of 1979. The fact that we have failed to use oil to build a productive and modern industry for the future is something historians will deplore."

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Apr 13 11.38pm

Only 1 piece of legislation?!

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