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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 23 7.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
You are kidding ? Special prosecutor to investigate Whitewater found no evidence of Clinton wrong doing but still poked his nose into what became the Monica Lewinsky affair which was nothing to do with Whitewater. SP for Russiagate poked his nose into all sorts of things unrelated. That's why I called it a crusade they have license to investigate whatever they want. That said I wonder if this DA will considering As for testing in court sure but before that is the muckraking. Edited by Badger11 (12 Aug 2023 2.01pm) Any investigation will follow the evidence to its logical conclusion. It doesn’t have to be special to do that. If evidence of wrongdoing is turned up during an investigation then expect to be investigated. That’s not nose poking. It’s what investigators do. That the right wing see a “sweetheart” deal is not evidence that one exists. It’s evidence of them trying to see smoke without fire.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 23 7.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Trial by media. It's the only way nowadays. In many biased minds, yes. Thankfully not in the law.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 23 7.38pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
If you look at a link I put just up the page - a few days ago it was ruled that owning a gun while on drugs was no longer a crime. There wasn't much fanfare about that. I guess we can all wonder why. I read the link. It was a completely unrelated event, in one particular jurisdiction, which seems unlikely to have force elsewhere or in other circumstances. That though doesn’t stop those who want to see a conspiracy behind everything making a mountain from it.
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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Aug 23 8.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Any investigation will follow the evidence to its logical conclusion. It doesn’t have to be special to do that. If evidence of wrongdoing is turned up during an investigation then expect to be investigated. That’s not nose poking. It’s what investigators do. That the right wing see a “sweetheart” deal is not evidence that one exists. It’s evidence of them trying to see smoke without fire. HB was given immunity for crimes he has not been charged with or even admitted to and you don't think that stinks. Luckily the judge threw that out.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Aug 23 8.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
HB was given immunity for crimes he has not been charged with or even admitted to and you don't think that stinks. Luckily the judge threw that out. A plea bargaining negotiation took place between lawyers, which a Judge then decided was too lenient and threw it out, so further negotiations are in process. The prosecutor then requested, and has been granted, additional powers to look further and deeper. That doesn’t feel to me as though the prosecutor was trying to go easy. More that he has failed to turn up the evidence he needed so was forced to agree to less than he really wanted and has now asked for, and been given, more time and greater resources.
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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Aug 23 11.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
A plea bargaining negotiation took place between lawyers, which a Judge then decided was too lenient and threw it out, so further negotiations are in process. The prosecutor then requested, and has been granted, additional powers to look further and deeper. That doesn’t feel to me as though the prosecutor was trying to go easy. More that he has failed to turn up the evidence he needed so was forced to agree to less than he really wanted and has now asked for, and been given, more time and greater resources. You might have a point except why give someone immunity for crimes they have not been charged with or even admitted, how often does that happen in the US legal system? Immunity is normally only given to a defendant within strict parameters e.g. they have to admit to the crime and if they don't they can still be prosecuted that is why the judge threw it out. The DA was publicly embarrassed so he has no choice now but to be seen to be doing his job.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Aug 23 9.38am | |
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Duplicate so removed
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Aug 23 9.40am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
You might have a point except why give someone immunity for crimes they have not been charged with or even admitted, how often does that happen in the US legal system? Immunity is normally only given to a defendant within strict parameters e.g. they have to admit to the crime and if they don't they can still be prosecuted that is why the judge threw it out. The DA was publicly embarrassed so he has no choice now but to be seen to be doing his job.
Neither of us were party to the negotiations but I can well imagine both sides wanting to wrap things up. I suspect that whilst not formally charged these things were on the table and part of the discussions, so were included as part of a comprehensive package. It was thrown out so now the prosecutor has more powers and greater resources to be able to look in places for evidence than he had before. It has already taken years and will now likely drag on for several more. Whether there is anything to actually find is another question entirely.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Aug 23 9.49am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I read the link. It was a completely unrelated event, in one particular jurisdiction, which seems unlikely to have force elsewhere or in other circumstances. That though doesn’t stop those who want to see a conspiracy behind everything making a mountain from it. It's a federal appeal so is now federal law. It is essentially the ruling on this. So you're wrong. Not like you're going to admit that though is it. Also, no one is making a mountain out of it - perhaps they should? Why might they? I didn't specify anything that you have, in fact, implied.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Aug 23 12.12pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
It's a federal appeal so is now federal law. It is essentially the ruling on this. So you're wrong. Not like you're going to admit that though is it. Also, no one is making a mountain out of it - perhaps they should? Why might they? I didn't specify anything that you have, in fact, implied. Having read the article again I can see that this was indeed a federal appeal so if the same circumstances occurred elsewhere this decision would be relevant. However, it also seems to be very specific about what those circumstances are, so if they weren't identical I am not so sure it would be. You were questioning the timing as though this might have been influenced by other events. I see no evidence, or reason, why that might be so.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Aug 23 8.50am | |
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So Trump has been charged again. This time with 18;others on charges related to trying to overturn the 2020 election. Charges include racketeering and forgery. This is another unprecedented event in the USA. Trump, of course, claims it is all part of the “witch hunt” being mounted against him in the run up to the 2024 election. Given what we all witnessed such a claim appears ludicrous but apparently not to his support base. I cannot see how a “freedom of speech” defence could be sustained for this but I do see significant issues in getting the case in court. Cases brought under the same legislation are stymied by jury selection. Having 19 sets of lawyers able to question each potential juror at length and then refuse them could take years. Perhaps some of those charged will be offered plea deals in return for cooperation? This will only harden the resolve of the Trump base but it will also put the GOP in an awkward position. Do they risk upsetting them or make themselves look even more ridiculous than they already have with their “political motivations “ claims and risk alienating all the independents, without whom they cannot win. It’s going to be interesting!
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georgenorman 15 Aug 23 9.29am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So Trump has been charged again. This time with 18;others on charges related to trying to overturn the 2020 election. Charges include racketeering and forgery. This is another unprecedented event in the USA. Trump, of course, claims it is all part of the “witch hunt” being mounted against him in the run up to the 2024 election. Given what we all witnessed such a claim appears ludicrous but apparently not to his support base. I cannot see how a “freedom of speech” defence could be sustained for this but I do see significant issues in getting the case in court. Cases brought under the same legislation are stymied by jury selection. Having 19 sets of lawyers able to question each potential juror at length and then refuse them could take years. Perhaps some of those charged will be offered plea deals in return for cooperation? This will only harden the resolve of the Trump base but it will also put the GOP in an awkward position. Do they risk upsetting them or make themselves look even more ridiculous than they already have with their “political motivations “ claims and risk alienating all the independents, without whom they cannot win. It’s going to be interesting! Trump should complain to his Congressman.
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