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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Aug 23 12.35pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I like this Nigerian guy.....straight shooter.

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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Aug 23 5.26pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Fitch have downgraded the US's credit rating....that's historic.

Well done Biden.

The economic failure all predicted before he took office.

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 03 Aug 23 5.42pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It’s interesting and to be taken seriously given its author. Somewhat surprising to see it appearing here in the Mail though.

That the USA is in a politically divided mess is beyond question. How this can be repaired an even bigger question.

Looking at it from here though I cannot see that being achieved by setting a higher bar for criminal prosecution for ex Presidents than for the rest of the people. Dershowitz argues for a Nixon” standard before a case proceeds.

For me that would take them further down the slippery slope into the swamp and not help a climb out of it. Surely everyone needs to be equally accountable under the law as a basic tenet of democracy?

That Trump may well be able to present a defence of believable deniability is true, as is that he is profiting politically from these prosecutions. That though is no reason for them not to be brought. Indeed it would be allowing politics to interfere with the law should they NOT be brought. Which is the exact opposite of what Trump and his supporters are claiming.

I kind of got distracted by the climbing out of swamps, but then politics is interfering with law and Trump supporters want the opposite of that ? No, I got confused. Then bored.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Aug 23 10.39am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I kind of got distracted by the climbing out of swamps, but then politics is interfering with law and Trump supporters want the opposite of that ? No, I got confused. Then bored.

It’s a simple point really. Trump claims he is being targeted for political reasons, and it’s all a “witch-hunt “. Something his supporters believe as though it is unarguable.

I think exactly the opposite is true. If he was given a free pass solely because he used to be POTUS that would mean the law not applying equally to all. His past positions or political beliefs should not be a consideration. Only the facts.

Bill Barr’s intervention yesterday is interesting and could be crucial if he is called as a witness. He will have inside information on what was being said and done, before he resigned because of it. His could be a persuasive voice in front of a jury.

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The Dolphin Flag 04 Aug 23 3.30pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Hunter Biden goes to court and for once didn't get away with everything.
A whistleblower either has or is in the process of stitching Biden jnr and snr up - they are both crooks and everyone knows it.
So - to make sure that news is treated as a minor misdemeanour they hit Trump with even more - most of it isn't criminal anyway - to disguise it all.
They are trying to prosecute him on stuff that they should have done years ago - but no - let's leave it to nearer election time - jeez - really - what a surprise.
Oh and let's put that nice Lady Judge - Tanya Chutkan, on it.
She who hates Donald with a vengeance, who worked for a corrupt Law Firm and whose colleague there was Hunter Biden!!!!!!
You just could not make it up.
Trump is not a nice person and has many, many faults but this is just nuts now.
The only way that Biden can beat him is to try and jail him.
It is truly appalling and is happening in a supposedly free Country in the Western World - trial by hate and media
So transparently obvious - even to you Wisbech!


Edited by The Dolphin (04 Aug 2023 3.33pm)

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Aug 23 3.38pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Hunter Biden goes to court and for once didn't get away with everything.
A whistleblower either has or is in the process of stitching Biden jnr and snr up - they are both crooks and everyone knows it.
So - to make sure that news is treated as a minor misdemeanour they hit Trump with even more - most of it isn't criminal anyway - to disguise it all.
They are trying to prosecute him on stuff that they should have done years ago - but no - let's leave it to nearer election time - jeez - really - what a surprise.
Oh and let's put that nice Lady Judge - Tanya Chutkan, on it.
She who hates Donald with a vengeance, who worked for a corrupt Law Firm and whose colleague there was Hunter Biden!!!!!!
You just could not make it up.
Trump is not a nice person and has many, many faults but this is just nuts now.
The only way that Biden can beat him is to try and jail him.
It is truly appalling and is happening in a supposedly free Country in the Western World - trial by hate and media
So transparently obvious - even to you Wisbech!


Edited by The Dolphin (04 Aug 2023 3.33pm)

I am happy to agree with you! It is transparently obvious.

It’s transparently obvious that you are a consumer of conspiracy theories.

See my post at 9.22 this morning in the Coronavirus thread for more detail.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Aug 23 10.22pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am happy to agree with you! It is transparently obvious.

It’s transparently obvious that you are a consumer of conspiracy theories.

See my post at 9.22 this morning in the Coronavirus thread for more detail.

Funny how you never see what is obvious to everyone else.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 23 11.03pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Funny how you never see what is obvious to everyone else.

Everyone else in the right-wing echo chamber which gathers here to seek confirmation of their biases, yes. I would hate to be accused of seeing what they see. It must be so depressing.

To the vast bulk of ordinary people out in the real world, coping with daily life rather than sitting in hot tubs and pontificating about just about everything in the modern world, no.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Aug 23 9.33am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Comments are being made on the Farage/Coutts thread about the indictments being laid against Trump, which are diversionary, so my own comments will be made here, which seems the appropriate place.

The idea that these charges are politically motivated seems to have become so firmly rooted in some minds that they are now regarded as the obvious, unquestionable truth. I think this is risible. The reverse is true.

To not charge him would mean that politics have interfered in the rule of law and resulted in a different standard being applied to different people. Everyone should be held to the same standards. We must all be treated equally under the law. Democracy demands nothing less.

The idea that other Presidents have also committed crimes but been allowed to escape justice is also risible.

As with the rest of us some minor offences, sometimes carried out unknowingly, deserve a warning or just advice. In other cases there are even different opinions on whether an offence has occurred.

The Trump situation is unprecedented. Not just because he is the first former President to be indicted in this way but because of what happened in plain view.

That claims the election was stolen were made cannot be disputed. That no evidence has been found to support that is also indisputable. That Trump tried to pressurise Pence into not certifying the results is on record. That the Capital was stormed was seen by us all.

These events are completely unprecedented. So it’s hardly a surprise that unprecedented charges have followed.

They are only charges. They must now be proved. A full opportunity to present whatever defence is decided will be available, including that a former President is above the law, if it can be sustained.

The danger comes if these cases end up being referred to the Supreme Court and guilty verdicts get overturned by politically appointed Justices. This is the real arena in which political interference in justice could be witnessed and if it could well spark major problems.

There is also the danger of Trump pardoning himself if he somehow wins next year, but as I think that is very unlikely I am less concerned about it.

The other allegation being made is that the timing of the charges has been calculated to interfere with the election timetable. This is also untrue. The timing of such things is not in the hands of politicians. It’s in the hands of the justice system which exists completely separately, despite the cynicism of some.

I have always said that patience is needed. Gathering evidence is a slow process and preparing a case even slower. Convincing witnesses to cooperate takes time. Reassuring them about the provision of any necessary protection and establishing it takes longer. With so many involved I am impressed it’s already being done. This is without any sight of charges relating to the 2016 election which remain under wraps. Maybe the current ones will be deemed sufficient.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Aug 23 12.25pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Everyone else in the right-wing echo chamber which gathers here to seek confirmation of their biases, yes. I would hate to be accused of seeing what they see. It must be so depressing.

To the vast bulk of ordinary people out in the real world, coping with daily life rather than sitting in hot tubs and pontificating about just about everything in the modern world, no.

My hot tub needs a bit of a top up along with my drink.

 


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eaglesdare Flag 07 Aug 23 12.46pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Hunter Biden goes to court and for once didn't get away with everything.
A whistleblower either has or is in the process of stitching Biden jnr and snr up - they are both crooks and everyone knows it.
So - to make sure that news is treated as a minor misdemeanour they hit Trump with even more - most of it isn't criminal anyway - to disguise it all.
They are trying to prosecute him on stuff that they should have done years ago - but no - let's leave it to nearer election time - jeez - really - what a surprise.
Oh and let's put that nice Lady Judge - Tanya Chutkan, on it.
She who hates Donald with a vengeance, who worked for a corrupt Law Firm and whose colleague there was Hunter Biden!!!!!!
You just could not make it up.
Trump is not a nice person and has many, many faults but this is just nuts now.
The only way that Biden can beat him is to try and jail him.
It is truly appalling and is happening in a supposedly free Country in the Western World - trial by hate and media
So transparently obvious - even to you Wisbech!


Edited by The Dolphin (04 Aug 2023 3.33pm)

Bang on the money there! The only way they will stop trump is to jail him!

 

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Mattconrov Flag 07 Aug 23 12.49pm Send a Private Message to Mattconrov Add Mattconrov as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

My hot tub needs a bit of a top up along with my drink.


There is always a danger of echo chambers. Wisbech is correct. The fact he can't see he's also in one is hilarious.

 


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