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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Aug 23 11.43am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Pretty much everything Trump said would happen if Biden was elected has happened. America is in trouble in several metrics and it's a serious problem for everybody. Like it or not, a very true statement. Unfortunately, everybody likes to say 'Biden' but I think the problem is that he is a brain dead corpse they've wheeled out to front a Machiavellian consortium, which is more the problem. Not that every other political entity in the USA's present and future can not be described as such but this one has aligned itself to a left-wing zeitgeist and that is the most harmful aspect. A weak, disorganized, ideologically drunk and badly fronted American government does the world no good. I don't particularly like that as a status quo, but that is it. Only emboldens perhaps more nefarious regimes, encourages power jostling and is an economic disaster.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 23 12.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Just seeing this morning how thousands of immigrants are flooding the US borders causing chaos in Texas and Arizona, Biden is having them trucked to so called sanctuaries in big cities overnight so they are spread out and less noticeable. It seems clear to me that these people are being allowed in so they become potential Democrat voters. Trump's border policy was pretty good. That has been abandoned. I'm afraid that the only conclusion to draw is that the elites are once again manipulating politics for their own ends. If you seriously believe any President would deliberately encourage illegal immigration you are as bonkers as the Trump base is. That the authorities are trying to handle the problem with compassion for those involved should be seen as a credit to them. No President would be involved in that either. That in a country of around 168 million voters anyone would think that illegals would make enough difference to determine policy is just nuts. You will be supporting the idea that the 2020 election was stolen next and all this is just a "witch hunt".
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Teddy Eagle 02 Aug 23 12.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you seriously believe any President would deliberately encourage illegal immigration you are as bonkers as the Trump base is. That the authorities are trying to handle the problem with compassion for those involved should be seen as a credit to them. No President would be involved in that either. That in a country of around 168 million voters anyone would think that illegals would make enough difference to determine policy is just nuts. You will be supporting the idea that the 2020 election was stolen next and all this is just a "witch hunt". There are estimated to be 10 million illegal migrants in America. Is more than the population of New York enough to make a difference?
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cryrst The garden of England 02 Aug 23 1.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you seriously believe any President would deliberately encourage illegal immigration you are as bonkers as the Trump base is. That the authorities are trying to handle the problem with compassion for those involved should be seen as a credit to them. No President would be involved in that either. That in a country of around 168 million voters anyone would think that illegals would make enough difference to determine policy is just nuts. You will be supporting the idea that the 2020 election was stolen next and all this is just a "witch hunt". Well 2% difference was all that was needed to get us brexit ! 10 million potentially given a vote by the dems in the USA would swing certain states I’m sure. It’s over 5% of voters.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 23 2.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Like it or not, a very true statement. Unfortunately, everybody likes to say 'Biden' but I think the problem is that he is a brain dead corpse they've wheeled out to front a Machiavellian consortium, which is more the problem. Not that every other political entity in the USA's present and future can not be described as such but this one has aligned itself to a left-wing zeitgeist and that is the most harmful aspect. A weak, disorganized, ideologically drunk and badly fronted American government does the world no good. I don't particularly like that as a status quo, but that is it. Only emboldens perhaps more nefarious regimes, encourages power jostling and is an economic disaster. This was a disappointing read from someone whose posts I have come to respect more than some others here. It starts well, as there is no doubt that the USA has serious problems at present. They are not though because of Biden, or anything that could possibly be described as a "Machiavellian consortium". Unlike his predecessor, he isn't a one-man band promoting incompetent acolytes to positions of power and firing anyone who dares raise a word against him. He has gone about his work quietly, delegated responsibilities and listens to others. He has restored faith in the USA, supported Ukraine in its role as a bastion against the possibility of a push further westward by Putin and adopted pragmatic policies at home to try to re-energise the economy after Covid. Yes, he is old, but so am I and my brain still works and my experience is greater than that of younger men. I don't though think he will actually run again. I think that's a ruse to keep the GOP off balance. The real issue is the lingering effect of Trumpism and his control over a once great party, aligned with the way people these days receive their "information". Until one, or both, decline the way democracy functions in the USA, and indeed elsewhere, is under constant threat. The BBC has recently interviewed James Comey, the FBI Director fired by Trump. Comey was a registered Republican for most of his adult life but left in 2016 by saying it had left him. He later said the Party needs to be burned to the ground before it can be rebuilt. In the interview, he says:- "Trump's loyal base hasn't expanded since the last election, but People who have been defrauded struggle to admit that they were fools and they tend to be drawn deeper and deeper by fresh and new lies. Otherwise, what will they do? They will look at the television images of January 6th, and those images whisper, 'You fool – look what you’ve done to your country'. Most people can't hear that whisper." I think there is a lot of truth there.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 23 2.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
There are estimated to be 10 million illegal migrants in America. Is more than the population of New York enough to make a difference? If accurate how many have been there a long time? How many of them would now vote Republican? How could any of them vote without documentation anyway? Most don't come over a border illegally. Most overstay legally granted visas. The suggestion was that the borders are being relaxed solely to encourage Democratic votes. It's nonsense.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 23 2.16pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Well 2% difference was all that was needed to get us brexit ! 10 million potentially given a vote by the dems in the USA would swing certain states I’m sure. It’s over 5% of voters. It's 0% unless they have the right to vote and if they can it is merely an assumption on how they would vote. Most don't cross illegally anyway. Most overstay legally acquired visas and then disappear under the radar. They won't make themselves visible by voting.
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Teddy Eagle 02 Aug 23 2.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If accurate how many have been there a long time? How many of them would now vote Republican? How could any of them vote without documentation anyway? Most don't come over a border illegally. Most overstay legally granted visas. The suggestion was that the borders are being relaxed solely to encourage Democratic votes. It's nonsense. It's the official statistic so is as accurate as it's likely to get. The assertion was that to think the total makes any difference to policy decisions is "nuts". Is it still nuts with the quoted figure?
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steeleye20 Croydon 02 Aug 23 2.23pm | |
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People like Trump and Netanyahu for some reason have such a hold over people despite being complete ars****s. Had the Republicans ditched Trump after his defeat in 2020 and subsequent behaviour, they could have had time to regroup and go again with a new leader and policies, without all this baggage.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 23 2.29pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
People like Trump and Netanyahu for some reason have such a hold over people despite being complete ars****s. Had the Republicans ditched Trump after his defeat in 2020 and subsequent behaviour, they could have had time to regroup and go again with a new leader and policies, without all this baggage.
And very likely win again with someone we could all admire and support.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Aug 23 2.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It's the official statistic so is as accurate as it's likely to get. The assertion was that to think the total makes any difference to policy decisions is "nuts". Is it still nuts with the quoted figure? Of course, it is. That a large number of undocumented people exist under the radar in the USA is generally accepted. Only a relatively small number arrive by crossing a border illegally. How many of those undocumented people are able, or want, to vote? To suggest that 10 million people will all vote Democrat is totally nuts.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Aug 23 2.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This was a disappointing read from someone whose posts I have come to respect more than some others here. It starts well, as there is no doubt that the USA has serious problems at present. They are not though because of Biden, or anything that could possibly be described as a "Machiavellian consortium". Unlike his predecessor, he isn't a one-man band promoting incompetent acolytes to positions of power and firing anyone who dares raise a word against him. He has gone about his work quietly, delegated responsibilities and listens to others. He has restored faith in the USA, supported Ukraine in its role as a bastion against the possibility of a push further westward by Putin and adopted pragmatic policies at home to try to re-energise the economy after Covid. Yes, he is old, but so am I and my brain still works and my experience is greater than that of younger men. I don't though think he will actually run again. I think that's a ruse to keep the GOP off balance. The real issue is the lingering effect of Trumpism and his control over a once great party, aligned with the way people these days receive their "information". Until one, or both, decline the way democracy functions in the USA, and indeed elsewhere, is under constant threat. The BBC has recently interviewed James Comey, the FBI Director fired by Trump. Comey was a registered Republican for most of his adult life but left in 2016 by saying it had left him. He later said the Party needs to be burned to the ground before it can be rebuilt. In the interview, he says:- "Trump's loyal base hasn't expanded since the last election, but People who have been defrauded struggle to admit that they were fools and they tend to be drawn deeper and deeper by fresh and new lies. Otherwise, what will they do? They will look at the television images of January 6th, and those images whisper, 'You fool – look what you’ve done to your country'. Most people can't hear that whisper." I think there is a lot of truth there. Wisbech I wouldn't even know where to start with this. I've never been 'pro-Trump' by any measure, nor have I particularly weighed in with my thoughts on American Politics. My point was around the world needing a 'strong America' which it does but does not have atm. Of all the previous presidents and regimes, whether I liked them or not, I think just about every one falls within the bracket of 'machiaveliian', as with most politics, and one thing I will credit America for is parodying them well through media. Possibly the only president I had any time for was Obama, and even he didn't do too well, mostly as I'd suggest he had too much genuine about him as a character. To continual paint out Joe Biden, who is evidently, EVIDENTLY, mentally incapable of daily functioning let alone holding the most powerful office in the world, has a track history of contradicting himself as he bends which ever way his Machiavellian strategy dictates he must, and is currently subservient to left wing zeitgeists (again despite having been opposed to them before) as some sort of heroic, genuine and competent leader is beyond ridiculous. It must surely qualify as insanity. With Biden in office America is weak and that spells more trouble than people realise. It's a statement removed from any commentary on Trump or anyone else whatsoever.
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