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 snytaxx  London 15 Nov 16 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It seems that some don't.
I can't work out whether they are on a wind up or whether they genuinely believe it. As an ardent Brexiteer, I personally don't blame the Labour party as a whole, infact, it was Corbyn's '7/10 for effort' campaigning that probably enabled brexit in the first place. However, there are aspects of the Labour party like your Own Smiths et al who couldn't give a toss about democracy, a long as we in the beloved EU. Tt's that group I worry about, however I think Corbyn has their number marked so in the long term I think it will all be fine. Regarding the current state of things. I can see why people want article 50 triggered, it would be great, but I personally wish to see brexit done properly, i've waited my whole life for it, I can wait a few months later. If May needs time to gather the staff, rally the civil service, research her pitch, then so be it! We keep saying that we need to restore trust in politicians, im willing to let her try and do that.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 15 Nov 16 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Do you mean the housing crisis caused by non stop rampant immigration? If we had stopped that 10 years ago, we might have enough houses to live in now, without the need to build over prime agricultural land (on the whole infrastructure change that comes with building more houses).
Don't you know Hoof. Immigration has nothing to do with the housing shortage,terrorism, crime or jobs. We live in a special kind of reality.
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FFS| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Nov 16 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by Nest
Everyone who has been lobotomized maybe.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 15 Nov 16 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It seems that some don't.
I can't work out whether they are on a wind up or whether they genuinely believe it. Replying to you Nick as a usual labour voter I cannot vote next time for Labour as they ran a luke-warm remain campaign and are now pro-brexit anyway - why would remain people support labour now? Think of it thats 50% of the country could be labour votes not now. labour hasn't caused what you say but they do not oppose like TB would and appeal to reason and possibly win an election. The opposition must oppose the government thats its function but now we have a virtual dictatorship and labour is just as much to blame.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Nov 16 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It seems that some don't.
I can't work out whether they are on a wind up or whether they genuinely believe it. I don't blame Labour. I don't even think about Labour, they are finished as a party. Funny that some of the sorry souls are still pushing for a second referendum though. As if they aren't unelectable enough already.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 15 Nov 16 1.39pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I don't blame Labour. I don't even think about Labour, they are finished as a party. Funny that some of the sorry souls are still pushing for a second referendum though. As if they aren't unelectable enough already. I think over the past few years people who were pro Labour have switched their allegiance to other parties and not just to the Tories. Politics has changed so much that some people do not know where to put their crosses. It is the hate for a single party whether it be the Tories or Labour they tend to vent their anger and spout the usual claptrap. I have been a Tory all my life and it was DC was prime minister that I began to wonder what the party was doing and I had second thoughts when voting. He came up with lots of stupid things and had loads of his ideas put in the countries stats. In fact he thought he was doing a great job when we all know now he did not. I am glad he resigned and we have Theresa May as love her or hate her she is going to do the right thing for the country even though she voted the other way. She will stand up to the so called hard nuts in the European Union and will not get stomped on you can be sure of that. As for the housing shortage that has been mentioned then I can assure you that down here in Plymouth there is house building going on everywhere and it is here for everyone to see. Whether or not is affordable is yet to be seen.!!
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| DanH SW2 15 Nov 16 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
You would know, of course, given that you run the civil service and have an inside knowledge of government planning. Sh*t, I've been rumbled.
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| silvertop Portishead 15 Nov 16 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Do you get many top politicians from a working class background with little to no education that wander about in jeans and a t-shirt and look sufficiently like the man on the street? You're going to say Corbyn aren't you? He's probably sufficiently scruffy for me to say touche if you do.
However, given the international pattern of drifting to the non-conformist - albeit of the populist nationalist variety - have we written this man off too early? Good God - socialist isolation! Could it get any worse?
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| silvertop Portishead 15 Nov 16 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Mine is the politics of common sense. The liberal mentality has been to use the sins of the past to create a self hating attitude among post war, post empire generations. The very worthy effort to promote equality has been used to place the needs of the few over the needs of the many. The few include ethnic minorities and the ruling classes. The latter uses the former for personal gain and the liberal left are totally blinkered only seeing the plight of the minority,shutting down debate,rejecting democracy and putting their heads in the sand. The backlash was inevitable with the rise of mass migration. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Nov 2016 3.08pm)
In some ways I envy the sort of simple souls who are wholly and dogmatically aligned to one party and for whom viewing life through such a narrow prism produces such simple certainties in outlook. In other ways I do not.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Nov 16 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Do you mean the housing crisis caused by non stop rampant immigration? If we had stopped that 10 years ago, we might have enough houses to live in now, without the need to build over prime agricultural land (on the whole infrastructure change that comes with building more houses).
Id say compounded rather than caused. The housing market has been out of control for well over two decades. Freedom of movement has amplified this but caused it probably not.
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| matt_himself Matataland 15 Nov 16 2.41pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Sh*t, I've been rumbled. It was either that or cage dancing in a fetish bar that I ought you did.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Nov 16 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
In some ways I envy the sort of simple souls who are wholly and dogmatically aligned to one party and for whom viewing life through such a narrow prism produces such simple certainties in outlook. In other ways I do not. Well....my common sense at least. I see no point in party loyalty. The parties themselves are not loyal to their own philosophies. They are vote hungry opportunists.
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