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 Spiderman  Horsham 25 Jul 24 11.08am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Thanks for the confirmation. What some here fail to realise is the difference between individual beliefs and corporate responsibility. They also get upset that their biases are not given the prominence they think they deserve. I think it’s obvious that the BBC strive for balance and that, as professionals, their employees leave their personal beliefs at home. My friend who used to work for the Mail is no fan of the populist right, but he knew what was required of him to do his job. He didn’t own the paper. He worked for it. Leave their personal beliefs at home!
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Jul 24 11.35am |
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Originally posted by puncheon_judy
I'm not sure it's possible to come across as unbiased to the people who complain about the BBC's impartiality. You can't please puritanical millenials & gen-z, whilst appeasing reductive and belittling boomers. Both groups are the types of people who nit pick at poor spelling mistakes to undermine a point, rather than take the time to understand where the other is coming from and engage in a healthy dialogue. The fact that neither of those camps are happy is probably a fair indication that the silent majority in the UK are actually quite happy with the balance of the BBC's reporting. As the saying goes "being the loudest person in the room, doesn't make you right" Quite - they want something which projects their own biases; it's not about impartiality. It's incredible how many on here claim to despise the BBC but seem to spend much of their free time trawling through links to find things to criticise. Many seem to still use it as their primary news source, whilst of course claiming it's the work of the devil.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Jul 24 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Quite - they want something which projects their own biases; it's not about impartiality. It's incredible how many on here claim to despise the BBC but seem to spend much of their free time trawling through links to find things to criticise. Many seem to still use it as their primary news source, whilst of course claiming it's the work of the devil. I don't. However, I think your sneering here deserves a comment. Let's us not forget that most of those you refer to here feel bullied into paying for a BBC licence (that doesn't represent their opinions)....but yet you criticise them for using it when convenient? The BBC deliberately bully people on payment and continue to threaten them even if they leave the service like myself. So I'd say that if using some links from a service that looks down on them is considered bad form then I'd make the observation that the return on their investment is even more scant and unjustified.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Jul 24 12.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't. However, I think your sneering here deserves a comment. Let's us not forget that most of those you refer to here feel bullied into paying for a BBC licence (that doesn't represent their opinions)....but yet you criticise them for using it when convenient? The BBC deliberately bully people on payment and continue to threaten them even if they leave the service like myself. So I'd say that if using some links from a service that looks down on them is considered bad form then I'd make the observation that the return on their investment is even more scant and unjustified. No, you don't. I'm not sneering at anyone, I made an observation - it has little to do with people looking for a return on their investment - I find that a very weak point. It is evidently where a lot of people still go to get their news, despite claiming to despise it. I find that surprising.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Jul 24 12.37pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Leave their personal beliefs at home! Any who don’t quickly find out why they must.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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| Stirlingsays 25 Jul 24 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
No, you don't. I'm not sneering at anyone, I made an observation - it has little to do with people looking for a return on their investment - I find that a very weak point. It is evidently where a lot of people still go to get their news, despite claiming to despise it. I find that surprising. Ok, I'll accept you weren't sneering. The BBC are given a huge advantage over other mediums and as we are mostly boomers and Gen X here we were all raised by the Beeb....the one in the eighties that I personally remember was a quite different organisation and old habits die hard. Personally I don't find the return on investment a weak point at all. The modern day BBC absolutely do look down on conservativism and the unhappiness with the organization is I'm afraid terminal....as the declining figures show every year. The model just doesn't work for many, younger and older, quite often it's even nothing to do with the classism and politics. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2024 1.14pm)
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Teddy Eagle  25 Jul 24 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Quite - they want something which projects their own biases; it's not about impartiality. It's incredible how many on here claim to despise the BBC but seem to spend much of their free time trawling through links to find things to criticise. Many seem to still use it as their primary news source, whilst of course claiming it's the work of the devil. It's not so much trawling to find links to criticise as using a source regarded as sacrosanct knowing it might still be dismissed but not out of hand because of its origin.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 25 Jul 24 1.31pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
No, you don't. I'm not sneering at anyone, I made an observation - it has little to do with people looking for a return on their investment - I find that a very weak point. It is evidently where a lot of people still go to get their news, despite claiming to despise it. I find that surprising.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Jul 24 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It's not so much trawling to find links to criticise as using a source regarded as sacrosanct knowing it might still be dismissed but not out of hand because of its origin. I think that's a fair observation - but I still find it interesting that the BBC is regarded as sacrosanct, despite the extensive criticisms you read. For what it's worth, I agree with that view; it's a reliable, credible source of news.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Jul 24 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Feel free to ask the person who introduced that idea to the thread.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Jul 24 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Ok, I'll accept you weren't sneering. Personally I don't find the return on investment a weak point at all. The modern day BBC absolutely do look down on conservativism and the unhappiness with the organization is I'm afraid terminal....as the declining figures show every year. The model just doesn't work for many, younger and older, quite often it's even nothing to do with the classism and politics. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2024 1.14pm) I think the bit in bold is closer to it - that does still make an interesting dynamic where people express strong views against the BBC whilst clearly still seeing some value in it's reporting. I agree with you it's important to distinguish between criticisms of the model, and allegations of bias, in these exchanges - I think there are many reasonable criticisms of the model.
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| Teddy Eagle 25 Jul 24 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I think that's a fair observation - but I still find it interesting that the BBC is regarded as sacrosanct, despite the extensive criticisms you read. For what it's worth, I agree with that view; it's a reliable, credible source of news. I should have added that it's sacrosanctity is subjective.
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