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 MrRobbo  Purley 02 Jul 24 11.43am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You're right, but the trade off is they gave away a lot more chances than we did against Slovenia, and generally they looked more exposed defensively - Sesko should really score that late chance yesterday and it's a very different conversation if he does. From an entertainment point of view, I agree they are at least trying to create, but with my pragmatic hat on... we are generally much tougher to break down. I'm struggling to be as pragmatic as you! I jsut cant see how its defendable any longer Portugal did look more exposed, and played a really high line even with a 41 year old CB. Surely the benefit of having Walker in the team is that you can play a high line with some confidence of cover. Before the tournament (we've slipped a place) we were ranked as the 4th best team in the world. Need to start acting like it.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Jul 24 11.48am |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
I'm struggling to be as pragmatic as you! I jsut cant see how its defendable any longer Portugal did look more exposed, and played a really high line even with a 41 year old CB. Surely the benefit of having Walker in the team is that you can play a high line with some confidence of cover. Before the tournament (we've slipped a place) we were ranked as the 4th best team in the world. Need to start acting like it.
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 EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Jul 24 11.55am |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
I'm struggling to be as pragmatic as you! I jsut cant see how its defendable any longer Portugal did look more exposed, and played a really high line even with a 41 year old CB. Surely the benefit of having Walker in the team is that you can play a high line with some confidence of cover. Before the tournament (we've slipped a place) we were ranked as the 4th best team in the world. Need to start acting like it. I don't think it's about anything being defendable, I'm just adding context - if we're going to do comparisons with other teams, you have to at least compare as a whole and not just consider attacking creativity. Portugal are much more willing to take a risk than us, that much is obvious - I don't think there is a right and wrong in that, just different approaches. Though one is clearly much more entertaining. But that high risk approach very nearly cost them yesterday.
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| CrazyBadger Ware 02 Jul 24 11.56am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't think it's about anything being defendable, I'm just adding context - if we're going to do comparisons with other teams, you have to at least compare as a whole and not just consider attacking creativity. Portugal are much more willing to take a risk than us, that much is obvious - I don't think there is a right and wrong in that, just different approaches. Though one is clearly much more entertaining. But that high risk approach very nearly cost them yesterday. no more than the low risk approach nearly cost us on Sunday.
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 02 Jul 24 12.03pm |
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We didn't play cr*p in any of the previous tournaments under Southgate, at Qatar the majority of judges thought the Rice-Bellingham partnership was the best in the tournament. My theory is that aliens have abducted Southgate and replaced his brain with Peter Taylor's.
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| silvertop Portishead 02 Jul 24 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
Its not only England are cr@p. A lot of teams are, and a lot have bad games/poor results. The stark difference for me is intent. Whilst Portugal weren't amazing last night, they gave it a go. Stuck a load of crosses in, created some chances etc. Instead of sitting back, they spent the majority of the game in the Slovenia half. Without Oblack (who was outstanding) they might have won relatively comfortably. In most of England's games the oppo need not even have a keeper with the number of efforts we register on target. Of course they did. Most of their players play, what, a dozen or so less games than ours in a season? They could give it a go because they have so much more in the tank.
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| silvertop Portishead 02 Jul 24 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
We didn't play cr*p in any of the previous tournaments under Southgate, at Qatar the majority of judges thought the Rice-Bellingham partnership was the best in the tournament. My theory is that aliens have abducted Southgate and replaced his brain with Peter Taylor's. Where we didn't get past the QF. Let's stop beating about the bush. This debate is not about selection or tactics per se. It is broader. It is about results v entertainment. I hate what I see (and may be wavering on my first ever prediction of an England win, partly due to the weakness at the back where all eventual winners are strong). But if we win the tournament "ugly", you will not remember how we got there past your hangover.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Jul 24 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
no more than the low risk approach nearly cost us on Sunday. Right, so both approaches are imperfect - that still doesn't support this idea that we're so uniquely s*** in a tournament where pretty much everyone is struggling. France haven't scored a goal from open play yet. (only own goals + penalties) Portugal played so expansively and excitingly that they failed to score in 120 minutes, having already lost to Georgia.
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| silvertop Portishead 02 Jul 24 12.28pm |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
no more than the low risk approach nearly cost us on Sunday. Trying to win a match against determined and prepared opponents by playing against the natural instinct to press hard and win easy is the very definition of high risk.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Jul 24 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Of course they did. Most of their players play, what, a dozen or so less games than ours in a season? They could give it a go because they have so much more in the tank. I can't be bothered to look it up but I'd be surprised if there's much difference in playing time - half their squad plays in the Premier League and the rest at top European clubs with comparable fixture lists to ours. They did rotate most of their team for the 3rd group game though, which we also should have done.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Jul 24 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
We didn't play cr*p in any of the previous tournaments under Southgate, at Qatar the majority of judges thought the Rice-Bellingham partnership was the best in the tournament. My theory is that aliens have abducted Southgate and replaced his brain with Peter Taylor's. That theory rings true to me. If I see Mark Kennedy, Carl Fletcher and Stuart Green taking midfielder training, I'll be convinced.
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| silvertop Portishead 02 Jul 24 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Right, so both approaches are imperfect - that still doesn't support this idea that we're so uniquely s*** in a tournament where pretty much everyone is struggling. France haven't scored a goal from open play yet. (only own goals + penalties) Portugal played so expansively and excitingly that they failed to score in 120 minutes, having already lost to Georgia. This. Only Spain have been consistently excellent and have illuminated an otherwise OK tournament. However, (words that I may have to swallow) the beautiful team rarely wins the prize. They are usually beaten by a duller more cynical side.
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