indeed, even Tory MP's are exhibiting disquiet over the D-day thing. and former Tory MP's I would say are verging on hostile.

News crews were interviewing people in Aldershot today, and for a PM championing National Service for the working class a few days ago, this seems to be a major miscalculation. Or as Matov is suggesting, deliberate sabotage.

This was a major photo opportunity for being pictured with other World Leaders. They really don't come bigger than that.

I disengage, I turn the page.

Yes, they’re throwing it so someday else gets the flack. The Tories tried something similar in the early days of the Brexit debate hoping to lose the election so that Labour would have to deal with it…but they stayed in power.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

BBC Leader's Election debate. My takeaways

Waste of time having SNP and Plaid Cymru who are not putting up candidates nationwide, let them be on BBc Scotland and Wales.

Camera constantly panned to audience members who were agreeing with Labour and disagreeing with Morduant and Farage .

Liked Farage's autocue comment.

Kudos to Morduant for bashing Sunak but likely for her ambitions as future leader.

Rayner just a talking head, weak on numbers, voted against Trident and showed her basic lack of education wither her " abstract failure" remark.

Don't think the debate will have done much to move the dial as Conservatives already toast.

Farage's comments on crime were good, he expanded knife crime to the wider issue of organised drug crime. I suspect many mothers of dead sons in drug related crime would welcome stop and search.

The NHS debate has to focus on making it better and more efficient, Streeting has good ideas on this, it has to be a service not a religion

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Edited by HKOwen (08 Jun 2024 8.09am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Why anyone pays a single moment of attention to this garbage is a mystery.

Electioneering is just a procession of politicians making hollow promises.
It is a method by which they can get very stupid, young and or naive people to put a cross next to their name every five years so that they have better career prospects.

I'm voting Reform because I will never vote Labour and the Tories allowed millions more immigrants to come here despite public opinion and ever increasing terrorism, crime, and cultural destruction.

It's that simple.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (08 Jun 2024 1.05pm)

Immigration is fixing most of the issues.

The NHS is being staffed and the strain reduced
The new workers are paying much more tax and NI than the benefits they claim.
Housing for workers is always required. Unless you shrink the economy.
There is no evidence that suggests immigration has any impact on crime. It’s a myth.
I am sure there is much more.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

If Sunak is still heading the Tory election campaign by the end of Tuesday night, then it is not only a loss for them but potentially the end of it all together.

If he is still in charge, then it is clear they are not willing to save themselves.

They either move in the next 48 hours, and I have no real clue how they will then save the ship from sinking nor arrange how it then work, or else it is potentially the end of the show.

But they HAVE to show willingness at least. This election came as a massive surprise to the vast majority of Tory MP's. Their own lead election strategist was against it.

Sunak is a literal double agent. Put in place to sink this Government. If he stays, then this will just become farce. And we get lumbered with a PM who is even more venal.

Still don't know if I can bring myself to vote for Reform given how cucked they have been by HnH.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.