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eaglesdare 11 Mar 23 11.50am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
More whataboutery from you. We can discuss the merits of putting smokers, overweight, drinkers druggies, people with unhealthy lifestyles at the back of the queue too, at another time. This is about the unvaccinated. For the umpteenth time you weren't "informed"! You were misinformed. You have proved them time and time again by repeating your misplaced arguments and ignoring inconvenient facts that demonstrate their illogicality. If you think a 95% survival rate, given the level of infection, to be good, then I pity you. It's a total disaster. Nothing on the NHS website will say anything different about the vaccine's side effects being dangerous except in an insignificant number of cases, which for daily life can be ignored. I most certainly don't expect others to take risks on my behalf. I just expect others to join me, and others, in a vaccination programme that has been proven as safe as it is possible to be. You deserve as much ridicule as climate change deniers. You are probably one of them too. People with your type of attitude often are, thinking they know better than the experts. I provided you with statisticss and proof and even from the official NHS website. Yet you continue to dismiss this and the science. You have shown your true colours now. Extremely selfish of you and I noticed you backtracked when someone who was unvaccinated needed cancer treatment. I at least looked into the vaccine and looked at the research (lack there of at the time) came to a critical and informed decision about my own body and my own health. Like many others who looked at the same information and decided they wanted the vaccine or not. I am pretty sure that if the government or some scientist came out and said it's perfectly safe to jump of a cliff...you would be the first to jump without even looking down to see how high it is or if there is rocks below. People thought the earth was flat until science challenged this. All I do is challenge the science and ask the questions. Anyway the more you reply the more selfish and Bs comes out of your mouth. You are full of discrimination and nasty hatred and extremist views. Doesn't matter anymore the Plandemic is over I am unvaccinated, perfectly healthy. I don't hold it against anyone who decided they wanted to be vaccinated. I completely supported my partners decision to be vaccinated and she supported mine in not. We both looked at the information provided and came to different conclusions. Perfectly fine. I did the eld antigen tests and still do when I visit her grandparents.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 23 11.52am | |
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Thanks. It seems some Police forces took more action than others! Interesting this comes from "Hulllive" though. That name has a certain contradiction about it as I don't regard Hull as a place to live. Good place to die though, as you probably wouldn't notice the change.
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becky over the moon 11 Mar 23 3.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Emergencies excepted, was what I said, and meant. I am talking of non-emergency, elective procedures, of giving priority on appointment times and locations, etc etc. Exactly my case- referred by GP (via rapid access scheme as this was a returning cancer) to Consultant who did investigative tests - consultation with Consultant resulted in elective surgery. No emergency involved whatsoever, so I'll just accept that in your eyes, as clearly stated above, I should have died.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 23 4.20pm | |
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Exactly my case- referred by GP (via rapid access scheme as this was a returning cancer) to Consultant who did investigative tests - consultation with Consultant resulted in elective surgery. No emergency involved whatsoever, so I'll just accept that in your eyes, as clearly stated above, I should have died. I don't regard that as elective surgery. Anything that has the potential to end a life might not demand action tomorrow, but is still urgent and important. I just used "emergency" as shorthand for our stubborn friend. The sort of things I mean are cosmetic procedures, or things that are personal choices, like a vasectomy for a guy.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 23 4.31pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
I provided you with statisticss and proof and even from the official NHS website. Yet you continue to dismiss this and the science. You have shown your true colours now. Extremely selfish of you and I noticed you backtracked when someone who was unvaccinated needed cancer treatment. I at least looked into the vaccine and looked at the research (lack there of at the time) came to a critical and informed decision about my own body and my own health. Like many others who looked at the same information and decided they wanted the vaccine or not. I am pretty sure that if the government or some scientist came out and said it's perfectly safe to jump of a cliff...you would be the first to jump without even looking down to see how high it is or if there is rocks below. People thought the earth was flat until science challenged this. All I do is challenge the science and ask the questions. Anyway the more you reply the more selfish and Bs comes out of your mouth. You are full of discrimination and nasty hatred and extremist views. Doesn't matter anymore the Plandemic is over I am unvaccinated, perfectly healthy. I don't hold it against anyone who decided they wanted to be vaccinated. I completely supported my partners decision to be vaccinated and she supported mine in not. We both looked at the information provided and came to different conclusions. Perfectly fine. I did the eld antigen tests and still do when I visit her grandparents.
I am both extremely patient but also tenacious. So I don't give up on people easily. However, when you have banged your head on a closed door for a long line, forced it open a crack only to realise there is a brick wall directly behind it, even I must acknowledge it's a waste of time. So you carry on with your delusions that you have taken an informed decision and aren't behaving like a selfish bsh*itter. I'll go on expressing my pov in the hope I will shame a few of the more sensible vaccine resisters into changing their minds when another occasion arises, or this one flares up again with yet another variant.
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eaglesdare 11 Mar 23 4.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am both extremely patient but also tenacious. So I don't give up on people easily. However, when you have banged your head on a closed door for a long line, forced it open a crack only to realise there is a brick wall directly behind it, even I must acknowledge it's a waste of time. So you carry on with your delusions that you have taken an informed decision and aren't behaving like a selfish bsh*itter. I'll go on expressing my pov in the hope I will shame a few of the more sensible vaccine resisters into changing their minds when another occasion arises, or this one flares up again with yet another variant.
So there we have it. One person respects another person for their decision. And another one continues to talk selfishly and force their extremists unjust and unscientific views on another person. I at least tried to be civil with you. I played your game I provided you proof but it did not fit your narrative. You would happily walk off a cliff if the government or media told you it was safe.
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eaglesdare 11 Mar 23 4.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't regard that as elective surgery. Anything that has the potential to end a life might not demand action tomorrow, but is still urgent and important. I just used "emergency" as shorthand for our stubborn friend. The sort of things I mean are cosmetic procedures, or things that are personal choices, like a vasectomy for a guy. You have completely lost all credibility here. Disgusting carry on. Poor woman must have gone through hell and you are basically saying she should have been left to die. Disgusting, evil and vile person you really are.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 23 8.46pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
So there we have it. One person respects another person for their decision. And another one continues to talk selfishly and force their extremists unjust and unscientific views on another person. I at least tried to be civil with you. I played your game I provided you proof but it did not fit your narrative. You would happily walk off a cliff if the government or media told you it was safe. Decisions that are made on lies cannot be respected. The best that those who make them can hope for is that they are tolerated, as, unless they become unlawful, is all that can be done. Your decision was "informed" only in the sense that you thought about it. However, when you reach that decision on the basis of the misreading to statistics and misinformation gleaned from those with agendas, it isn't information you are using. It is misinformation. Continuing to repeat that misinformation, as though repetition changes it'status from lie to truth, as you do above, and then try to claim equivalence with mine is beyond ridiculous. It's really quite offensive. My bs antenna has always been pretty sensitive, and it sounds long and loud in every post of yours. The only thing you have ever proved is your inability to see that what you post is nonsense. As my narrative is the truth, and yours certainly doesn't fit it, that's the only true thing in the above comment. I am no more interested in supporting this government, or the media, than I am in supporting Brighton. I am interested in supporting the truth. If a government is following the best expert advice available to them at the time that decisions are made, then I will support it, because that's following the truth, as it is known.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 23 9.00pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
You have completely lost all credibility here. Disgusting carry on. Poor woman must have gone through hell and you are basically saying she should have been left to die. Disgusting, evil and vile person you really are. Well done. You have just proved something else. Which is your capacity to read words and completely misunderstand them. That was an explanation to Becky that, of course, her condition and the need to deal with it was urgent and, as such, is regarded by me, as an emergency. Anyone with cancer must be treated asap. I understand that only too well. I have cancer too. Your veil of civility has slipped a little, hasn't it. Oh, I forgot. You don't think masks are a good idea either do you?
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eaglesdare 11 Mar 23 9.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well done. You have just proved something else. Which is your capacity to read words and completely misunderstand them. That was an explanation to Becky that, of course, her condition and the need to deal with it was urgent and, as such, is regarded by me, as an emergency. Anyone with cancer must be treated asap. I understand that only too well. I have cancer too. Your veil of civility has slipped a little, hasn't it. Oh, I forgot. You don't think masks are a good idea either do you?
Absolutely terrible human being. How can any human being state a person should not receive medical care if they are unvaccinated. Diplorable. The mask has truly slipped on you I am afraid. You have shown your true colors. And does it really matter what I think on masks?
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eaglesdare 11 Mar 23 9.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Decisions that are made on lies cannot be respected. The best that those who make them can hope for is that they are tolerated, as, unless they become unlawful, is all that can be done. Your decision was "informed" only in the sense that you thought about it. However, when you reach that decision on the basis of the misreading to statistics and misinformation gleaned from those with agendas, it isn't information you are using. It is misinformation. Continuing to repeat that misinformation, as though repetition changes it'status from lie to truth, as you do above, and then try to claim equivalence with mine is beyond ridiculous. It's really quite offensive. My bs antenna has always been pretty sensitive, and it sounds long and loud in every post of yours. The only thing you have ever proved is your inability to see that what you post is nonsense. As my narrative is the truth, and yours certainly doesn't fit it, that's the only true thing in the above comment. I am no more interested in supporting this government, or the media, than I am in supporting Brighton. I am interested in supporting the truth. If a government is following the best expert advice available to them at the time that decisions are made, then I will support it, because that's following the truth, as it is known.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Regardless on whether I chose to be or not be vaccinated has absolutely no effect on you or anyone else. That is the science right there. I provided you proof of the side effects from the NHS website. And you continue to dismiss these dangerous side effects? Why? And why should I risk a blood clot and heart issues for no reason at all. Like I said if a scientist or government told you that jumping off a cliff was safe I am sure you would do it. Unless you asses the risk yourself and look down and decide oh wait actually this is very dangerous I am not going to jump. Again you ignore the facts to suit your own narrative. Again I provided you proof and statistics to back my argument. I completely respect your decision to get vaccinated and I fully support you in doing so. I made a decision that beat suits my health and I am sure you did the same. So what's the problem here?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Mar 23 9.40pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Absolutely terrible human being. How can any human being state a person should not receive medical care if they are unvaccinated. Diplorable. The mask has truly slipped on you I am afraid. You have shown your true colors. And does it really matter what I think on masks? I am beginning to think your capacity for misreading and misunderstanding demands compassion rather than condemnation. I have not stated that anyone should not receive medical care. All I have said is that those who deliberately and selfishly decide to join the rest of us in trying to defeat a pandemic by getting vaccinated ought to be the ones at the back of the queue for certain NHS services. We don't have limitless resources and there are already long waits and the need to prioritise. When those are contributed to by the unvaccinated placing a greater demand on the NHS than the vaccinated because of their "informed" decision I want them informed that they will have to wait longer than those who did get vaccinated. That's both fair, reasonable and logical. Not that there's a snowball's chance in hell of you understanding that. What you think on masks truly doesn't matter at all. It was a thoroughly deserved snide response By the way. Diplorable isn't a word. Deplorable is. Color is an Americanism. Colour is how we spell it here. You demonstrate your ignorance well enough with your attitudes, but you can easily avoid reinforcing it by using a spell checker.
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