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Spiderman Horsham 16 Sep 21 2.17pm
Originally posted by kuge But Brexit is very influential on the refugee problem. We have lost our voice in the EU and we are therefore unable to change future policies there. In relation to international organised crime, which is what fuels most of the people trafficking across the channel, our exit from Europol which was not even necessary post-Brexit has robbed us of valuable intelligence. It’s quite possible that the criminals presently have better cross border cooperation and coordination than the UK has. There is no need to talk down Brexit it does all its own work in that direction. We are all waiting for a single benefit to be identified, nothing is forthcoming yet. The EU open border policy and “no check” Schengen area has done nothing but harm to the fight against people smuggling.
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Horsham 16 Sep 21 2.17pm

Originally posted by kuge

But Brexit is very influential on the refugee problem. We have lost our voice in the EU and we are therefore unable to change future policies there.

In relation to international organised crime, which is what fuels most of the people trafficking across the channel, our exit from Europol which was not even necessary post-Brexit has robbed us of valuable intelligence. It’s quite possible that the criminals presently have better cross border cooperation and coordination than the UK has.

There is no need to talk down Brexit it does all its own work in that direction. We are all waiting for a single benefit to be identified, nothing is forthcoming yet.

The EU open border policy and “no check” Schengen area has done nothing but harm to the fight against people smuggling.

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kuge Peckham 16 Sep 21 2.26pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You don't really expect civility after your previous posts. Take your Brexit negativity and shove it where the sun don't shine. It's easy to come on here to mock, criticize and insult. Any Joe can do that. It requires no substance. You think that membership of the EU would benefit us in the long run as regards refugees and international crime? You are deluded. Remember. Most of the international crime that affects Britain occurs because of the immigration policy that fools like you support. If we are not protecting our own borders properly, that is a matter for the British government to deal with. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Sep 2021 12.46pm) I believe that I have been civil, I apologise if you have felt otherwise. Robust changing of your ideas and the evidence that you present to support them is not uncivil. I will therefore disregard the second sentence of your post and put it down to naivety, exuberance and bravado. I do not come to mock you or to insult you. I am here to criticise and challenge It’s difficult to know whether remaining in the EU would have made any direct short term difference to the situation regarding refugees. That ship has sailed. These people have left their countries because of conflicts that relate to foreign policies pursued by the US, Russia and others over the past twenty years. As regards international crime I think that remaining in Europol would have been a good idea, however, the government decided to leave probably just because the organisation has ‘Euro’ in its name. International crime requires international action. Action against money laundering, drugs and people smuggling requires cooperation and coordination. International criminals will exploit whatever opportunities are available to them to make money. The largest percentage of activity in this area is in relation to drugs. Other than in a very tangential way I cannot see what this has to do with immigration policy. How is it possible to be anything other than negative about Brexit? Everything that was presented as a benefit has subsequently proved to be false.
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kuge

Peckham 16 Sep 21 2.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You don't really expect civility after your previous posts. Take your Brexit negativity and shove it where the sun don't shine.
It's easy to come on here to mock, criticize and insult. Any Joe can do that. It requires no substance.

You think that membership of the EU would benefit us in the long run as regards refugees and international crime? You are deluded.

Remember. Most of the international crime that affects Britain occurs because of the immigration policy that fools like you support.
If we are not protecting our own borders properly, that is a matter for the British government to deal with.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Sep 2021 12.46pm)

I believe that I have been civil, I apologise if you have felt otherwise. Robust changing of your ideas and the evidence that you present to support them is not uncivil. I will therefore disregard the second sentence of your post and put it down to naivety, exuberance and bravado. I do not come to mock you or to insult you. I am here to criticise and challenge

It’s difficult to know whether remaining in the EU would have made any direct short term difference to the situation regarding refugees. That ship has sailed. These people have left their countries because of conflicts that relate to foreign policies pursued by the US, Russia and others over the past twenty years. As regards international crime I think that remaining in Europol would have been a good idea, however, the government decided to leave probably just because the organisation has ‘Euro’ in its name. International crime requires international action. Action against money laundering, drugs and people smuggling requires cooperation and coordination.

International criminals will exploit whatever opportunities are available to them to make money. The largest percentage of activity in this area is in relation to drugs. Other than in a very tangential way I cannot see what this has to do with immigration policy.

How is it possible to be anything other than negative about Brexit? Everything that was presented as a benefit has subsequently proved to be false.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 16 Sep 21 3.01pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It will be interesting to see what remains, I guess we will have to rename it Little England. Very little of that would be English, the NHS will hopefully hold out. The rest all foreign owned, private equity companies etc. the forth-coming tory sell-offs will actually leave very few assets left to strip. Run for the benefit of a tiny portion of the super-rich. Indeed, on LBC theres an advert now saying,"do you need to speak to a doctor?". For just £29 you get a face to face consultation-online obvs, and includes your prescription or a sick note if required. We are going down the American route unfortunately, doctors aren"t seeing patients , under covid excuse,and people with problems are paying to go private. After 11 years in power, we can sincerely say gentlemen, in boris we trust!
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Any european country i fancy! 16 Sep 21 3.01pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It will be interesting to see what remains, I guess we will have to rename it Little England.

Very little of that would be English, the NHS will hopefully hold out.

The rest all foreign owned, private equity companies etc. the forth-coming tory sell-offs will actually leave very few assets left to strip.

Run for the benefit of a tiny portion of the super-rich.

Indeed, on LBC theres an advert now saying,"do you need to speak to a doctor?". For just £29 you get a face to face consultation-online obvs, and includes your prescription or a sick note if required. We are going down the American route unfortunately, doctors aren"t seeing patients , under covid excuse,and people
with problems are paying to go private. After 11 years in power, we can sincerely say gentlemen, in boris we trust!

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jeeagles 16 Sep 21 3.02pm
Originally posted by cryrst Like some corners of the UK if you scratch deep enough. Don't be naive enough to think that enclaves here don't aspire to or actually are like this. As for the far right what exactly is their thinking bearing in mind the bnp and edl had black and Asian members if that is who you mean. Its about the country not the colour. I would also add a section on blm into that alignment, would you? I've criticised BLM loads of times. EDL and BLM use that same trick to groom members. On the face of it, both their names sound fairly reasonable, although the outcome both want to achieve is pretty sinister.
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jeeagles

16 Sep 21 3.02pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Like some corners of the UK if you scratch deep enough. Don't be naive enough to think that enclaves here don't aspire to or actually are like this.
As for the far right what exactly is their thinking bearing in mind the bnp and edl had black and Asian members if that is who you mean. Its about the country not the colour. I would also add a section on blm into that alignment, would you?

I've criticised BLM loads of times. EDL and BLM use that same trick to groom members. On the face of it, both their names sound fairly reasonable, although the outcome both want to achieve is pretty sinister.

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Sep 21 3.04pm
Originally posted by jeeagles I've criticised BLM loads of times. EDL and BLM use that same trick to groom members. On the face of it, both their names sound fairly reasonable, although the outcome both want to achieve is pretty sinister. An agreement in principle I guess
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Sep 21 3.04pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

An agreement in principle I guess

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Sep 21 3.06pm
Originally posted by kuge I believe that I have been civil, I apologise if you have felt otherwise. Robust changing of your ideas and the evidence that you present to support them is not uncivil. I will therefore disregard the second sentence of your post and put it down to naivety, exuberance and bravado. I do not come to mock you or to insult you. I am here to criticise and challenge It’s difficult to know whether remaining in the EU would have made any direct short term difference to the situation regarding refugees. That ship has sailed. These people have left their countries because of conflicts that relate to foreign policies pursued by the US, Russia and others over the past twenty years. As regards international crime I think that remaining in Europol would have been a good idea, however, the government decided to leave probably just because the organisation has ‘Euro’ in its name. International crime requires international action. Action against money laundering, drugs and people smuggling requires cooperation and coordination. International criminals will exploit whatever opportunities are available to them to make money. The largest percentage of activity in this area is in relation to drugs. Other than in a very tangential way I cannot see what this has to do with immigration policy. How is it possible to be anything other than negative about Brexit? Everything that was presented as a benefit has subsequently proved to be false. Let me be clear. What you say is of no consequence to me. Your apology is wasted. However, you got personal, and when you do that, you get no quarter on here. It's Hrolf's policy if you like. What you need to get into your head is that Brexit is a reality. Most people who voted for it didn't think that there would not be bumps in the road I'm sure. Sadly, on top of that, we have to listen to people like you with your negativity. You need to get with the programme. Immigration always brings crime, it always has, and you know full well the reasons why. Stop pretending you don't.
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16 Sep 21 3.06pm

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Originally posted by kuge

How is it possible to be anything other than negative about Brexit? Everything that was presented as a benefit has subsequently proved to be false.

Let me be clear. What you say is of no consequence to me. Your apology is wasted. However, you got personal, and when you do that, you get no quarter on here.

It's Hrolf's policy if you like.

What you need to get into your head is that Brexit is a reality. Most people who voted for it didn't think that there would not be bumps in the road I'm sure.
Sadly, on top of that, we have to listen to people like you with your negativity. You need to get with the programme.

Immigration always brings crime, it always has, and you know full well the reasons why. Stop pretending you don't.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 21 3.24pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Immigration always brings crime, it always has, and you know full well the reasons why. That has to be the daftest assertion you have made this year, and it has plenty of competition. Most immigration is from immigrants who want to work, support their families and make a better life for themselves. It also enables our economy to function when, without it, it would quickly fail. Just go visit your local hospital for the evidence of that. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (16 Sep 2021 3.29pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 21 3.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Immigration always brings crime, it always has, and you know full well the reasons why.

That has to be the daftest assertion you have made this year, and it has plenty of competition.

Most immigration is from immigrants who want to work, support their families and make a better life for themselves.

It also enables our economy to function when, without it, it would quickly fail.

Just go visit your local hospital for the evidence of that.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (16 Sep 2021 3.29pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 16 Sep 21 3.59pm
The idea that the economy couldn't run without immigration is so daft.....I mean it ran without any significant immigration for most of the country's existence. The situation created where services like the NHS have more foreign labour working within it than average has been entirely a political and economic choice made by the elites in charge. They made the decision to buy in foreigners and any change in policy to nationalise the NHS's workforce would be gradual and eventually not require significant foreign/immigrant workers. It's so obvious that I tire of the simplistic repeated slogans. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Sep 2021 4.00pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Sep 21 3.59pm

The idea that the economy couldn't run without immigration is so daft.....I mean it ran without any significant immigration for most of the country's existence.

The situation created where services like the NHS have more foreign labour working within it than average has been entirely a political and economic choice made by the elites in charge.

They made the decision to buy in foreigners and any change in policy to nationalise the NHS's workforce would be gradual and eventually not require significant foreign/immigrant workers.

It's so obvious that I tire of the simplistic repeated slogans.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Sep 2021 4.00pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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DanH SW2 16 Sep 21 4.00pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The idea that the economy couldn't run without immigration is so daft.....I mean it ran without any significant immigration for most of the country's existence. The situation created where services like the NHS have more foreign labour working within it than average has been entirely a political and economic choice made by the elites in charge. They made the decision to buy in foreigners and any change in policy to nationalise the NHS's workforce would be gradual and eventually not require significant foreigner workers. It's so obvious that I tire of the simplistic repeated slogans. Idealistic nonsense and no idea how things actually work in practice.
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DanH

SW2 16 Sep 21 4.00pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The idea that the economy couldn't run without immigration is so daft.....I mean it ran without any significant immigration for most of the country's existence.

The situation created where services like the NHS have more foreign labour working within it than average has been entirely a political and economic choice made by the elites in charge.

They made the decision to buy in foreigners and any change in policy to nationalise the NHS's workforce would be gradual and eventually not require significant foreigner workers.

It's so obvious that I tire of the simplistic repeated slogans.

Idealistic nonsense and no idea how things actually work in practice.

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Stirlingsays 16 Sep 21 4.01pm
Originally posted by DanH Idealistic nonsense and no idea how things actually work in practice. It's exactly how it worked.....go back to your crayons. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Sep 21 4.01pm

Originally posted by DanH

Idealistic nonsense and no idea how things actually work in practice.

It's exactly how it worked.....go back to your crayons.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 16 Sep 21 4.03pm
Hang on....I realise I'm on the French thread here....my mistake While I enjoy the 'robust' debate, I really do want to respect the OP's request. So I'll try to keep any future posts on here about the topic matter. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Sep 21 4.03pm

Hang on....I realise I'm on the French thread here....my mistake

While I enjoy the 'robust' debate, I really do want to respect the OP's request. So I'll try to keep any future posts on here about the topic matter.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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DanH SW2 16 Sep 21 4.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's exactly how it worked.....go back to your crayons. How it worked when? What economy are you comparing to the modern day economy?
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DanH

SW2 16 Sep 21 4.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's exactly how it worked.....go back to your crayons.

How it worked when? What economy are you comparing to the modern day economy?

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