I can't quite fathom your politics Hrolf, but I agree the point you make entirely.

It isn't the lunatic skin-headed fringes you have to worry about; it isn't even Jihadi nut jobs; it's the mass ranks of hitherto apathetic white Middle Englanders getting tired of being told they can't do this or say that as it is "unacceptable".

History will not repeat itself. The pieces are not there for a resurgence of either polar extreme of the last century. However, prejudices we thought long consigned to the dustbin of horrible history are not only going to resurface; they are going to inform populist policy.

There is truth in this but its not so much the Left but the centrist views of both parties and liberal media over many years becoming lazy and taken the public and office for granted, professional politicians, not for any ideology because its the same, they have lost touch and have been very naive. They have no experience of any of whats going on now because they forgot {or dont know their history) that politics can so much more than petty debates

Mine is the politics of common sense.

The liberal mentality has been to use the sins of the past to create a self hating attitude among post war, post empire generations. The very worthy effort to promote equality has been used to place the needs of the few over the needs of the many. The few include ethnic minorities and the ruling classes. The latter uses the former for personal gain and the liberal left are totally blinkered only seeing the plight of the minority,shutting down debate,rejecting democracy and putting their heads in the sand. The backlash was inevitable with the rise of mass migration.
The media is full of these "liberal" tenancies, so it is no surprise that the majority in Britain and US have responded in the only way that they can, through the ballot box.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Nov 2016 3.08pm)

Great post. The left/right thing is unbelievably outdated and also wrong. It is incredibly frustrating to hear the media peddle the "left is compassionate, right is nasty" line. Left should mean protectionist and interventionist, right should mean less government and less wealth redistribution.

Why, for example, Marine Le Pen's National Front party are called "far-right" when they believe in tax rises for the wealthy and huge welfare is beyond me.

Hitler called himself a socialist, the Nazi party stood for "The National Socialist German Workers' Party". But they were apparently far right? How? They believed in the power of the state.

What this causes is people to feel that being slightly right wing is somehow undesirable, which is why they don't shout about it until they get into the privacy of a polling booth.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Probably because the BNP have been exploiting the local issues in the wake of New Labour's betrayal of the UK working classes. Of course the BNP seems to be very much last years NF, as the far right seems to grow a new 'cause celeb' every few years (EDL, Britain First etc).

But its not the liberal left that's the issue, its the failure of any political party to actually give a s**t about people in general, who aren't either in 'key political battleground areas' or upper working class / lower middle class. Both the BNP, UKIP, Class War and Momentum have all capitalised on this (as has the Green Party).

Its got nothing really to do with culture - its about jobs, wages and incomes. People aren't fundamentally worried about a crisis in culture, and so vote BNP.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Do you get many top politicians from a working class background with little to no education that wander about in jeans and a t-shirt and look sufficiently like the man on the street?

You're going to say Corbyn aren't you? He's probably sufficiently scruffy for me to say touche if you do.