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Matov Flag 20 Jan 21 8.13am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Here's my (final) take on it all:

Trump is and was never a career politician: he was blunt, abrasive and undiplomatic. The political establishment hated him for that (he beat them at their own game), and they went out of their way to bring him down no matter what - these efforts were not even limited to the Democrats.

Not even at their own game. He played by his own rules. That is why they hate him so much. US troops coming home from foreign wars, lower-taxes, African-Americans being employed at higher rates than ever before, no wonder they loathed him so much. He was a breath of fresh air.

But Trump did himself no favours. Effectively done his own legs when he let Bannon go. That was a critical mistake. Bannon is perhaps the most politically astute person of the 21st century. Should have been kept on the inside at all costs, including damaging family ties.

As to the rest of your post, then spot on. Biden is bad beyond belief. Everything you have said and more.

The US is entering some dark-days now although I must admit to chuckling a little at Biden's choice of assistant health secretary. If you are going to troll the Right then that is the way to do it. Have to give a little kudos for that.

Edited by Matov (20 Jan 2021 8.13am)

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Jan 21 8.18am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Well today is the day I am looking forward to all these mass arrests of the lizard people although I am hearing a whisper that Trump may delay his fight back by 4 years.


I hope today passes peacefully in the US.

 


One more point

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Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Here's my (final) take on it all:

Trump is and was never a career politician: he was blunt, abrasive and undiplomatic. The political establishment hated him for that (he beat them at their own game), and they went out of their way to bring him down no matter what - these efforts were not even limited to the Democrats. We've seen the 4 year culmination of this, and the pliant simpletons (I can name a few on here) still eagerly suckle at the teat of this rampant misinformation campaign until they are worked up into an utter frenzy. God, I fear for what will sustain their feeble intellects when the "Orange man bad" is no longer living rent-free in their empty heads.

Biden is a career politician: he has a murky past, he is a f***ing creep around children (if you can find the videos that have now been memory-holed), he is utterly compromised in his family's dodgy dealings with China, Russia and the Ukraine (god knows elsewhere), he has a terrible legislative history, his son is a walking disaster zone and (if the pictures I've seen are genuine) a shoe-in for 15-20 years minimum in the slammer. But... he is a career politican, and he has the cover and protection from a new branch of the US government: the media.

So, with this media fawning, hyper-partisan, liberal-dominated, covering up, not holding him to account, running interference, shilling for him, censoring his political opponents:

Does anyone have any realistic expectations that these people will hold Biden to account when he screws up?

I don't.


Absolutely accurate about Biden, some well known, some rumoured. Only an idiot would think he's the messiah, or even worse, squeaky clean. As you say, he's a career politician... But, on balance, right now, he's better than obese chops, who, compared with the lengthly list of negatives you present with Biden, has come off somewhat lightly in your post. There's a lot more Trump negatives you could counterbalance with than just 'blunt, abrasive and undiplomatic.'

 


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Originally posted by Lombardinho

I've got stuff to do later so I should be sleeping but I can't.
Yesterday was rough, I won't deny it.
I've never cared too much about U.S elections in the past.
But this one's got me soul searching.
And then I saw Trump's speech from yesterday and I remembered that we haven't had the storm yet.
I really think he's still got something up his sleeve.
At the 11th hour there just has to be a final twist.
Peace to all and God bless.
Good night.

Good luck with that.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Jan 21 9.57am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Here's my (final) take on it all:

Trump is and was never a career politician: he was blunt, abrasive and undiplomatic. The political establishment hated him for that (he beat them at their own game), and they went out of their way to bring him down no matter what - these efforts were not even limited to the Democrats. We've seen the 4 year culmination of this, and the pliant simpletons (I can name a few on here) still eagerly suckle at the teat of this rampant misinformation campaign until they are worked up into an utter frenzy. God, I fear for what will sustain their feeble intellects when the "Orange man bad" is no longer living rent-free in their empty heads.

Biden is a career politician: he has a murky past, he is a f***ing creep around children (if you can find the videos that have now been memory-holed), he is utterly compromised in his family's dodgy dealings with China, Russia and the Ukraine (god knows elsewhere), he has a terrible legislative history, his son is a walking disaster zone and (if the pictures I've seen are genuine) a shoe-in for 15-20 years minimum in the slammer. But... he is a career politican, and he has the cover and protection from a new branch of the US government: the media.

So, with this media fawning, hyper-partisan, liberal-dominated, covering up, not holding him to account, running interference, shilling for him, censoring his political opponents:

Does anyone have any realistic expectations that these people will hold Biden to account when he screws up?

I don't.


Thanks for the laugh!

If anyone wants a "rampant misinformation campaign" today then you have provided one.

I have to wonder whether those who defend Trump will ever realise that those who oppose him, who are many and various, don't do so because he won in 2016 and was different. It's not just the "media" or the "establishment". It's not just the "normies" being fed a diet by those people. It's everyone with their eyes, ears and brains open and functioning. You don't need to filter anything through the opinions of others. You just need to have observed Trump.

Biden is a stopgap. Getting rid of Trump was always the priority and ensuring there was an experienced safe pair of hands to hold the reins for a while the aim. Trump was a disastrous experiment which has set the USA back for years and cost many American lives.

Excluding the civil war and WW2 Covid 19 has cost more American lives than all other wars put together. This will be Trump's real legacy because the paucity of his response contributed massively to that number. His frequent claims, often backed up on here, that he hasn't "started any wars" conveniently ignores the fact that the war on his doorstep has been dismissed as a nuisance that gets in the way of the economy.

It's for this and his other similar warped ideas that he had to go and nothing whatsoever with anyone's pride being damaged.

Biden won't "screw up"! He may well not be able to solve many of the huge problems but he will steer a safe course and get the ship of state into calmer waters so that a new era can begin.

 


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The Dolphin Flag 20 Jan 21 10.02am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Here's my (final) take on it all:

Trump is and was never a career politician: he was blunt, abrasive and undiplomatic. The political establishment hated him for that (he beat them at their own game), and they went out of their way to bring him down no matter what - these efforts were not even limited to the Democrats. We've seen the 4 year culmination of this, and the pliant simpletons (I can name a few on here) still eagerly suckle at the teat of this rampant misinformation campaign until they are worked up into an utter frenzy. God, I fear for what will sustain their feeble intellects when the "Orange man bad" is no longer living rent-free in their empty heads.

Biden is a career politician: he has a murky past, he is a f***ing creep around children (if you can find the videos that have now been memory-holed), he is utterly compromised in his family's dodgy dealings with China, Russia and the Ukraine (god knows elsewhere), he has a terrible legislative history, his son is a walking disaster zone and (if the pictures I've seen are genuine) a shoe-in for 15-20 years minimum in the slammer. But... he is a career politican, and he has the cover and protection from a new branch of the US government: the media.

So, with this media fawning, hyper-partisan, liberal-dominated, covering up, not holding him to account, running interference, shilling for him, censoring his political opponents:

Does anyone have any realistic expectations that these people will hold Biden to account when he screws up?

I don't.


I wholeheartedly agree with you.
America should not be proud of having either man as their leader but don't worry - old Joe will be gone by Christmas - struck down by a mystery illness that will stop him running the Country and the lovely but utterly dangerous Carmela Harris will be in charge - unelected but the poster girl for the Celebs and various parts of the world that you wouldn't want anything to do with.
America is a basket case at the best of times but you just watch what the next four years will bring - I fear it will not be pleasant and I would not be surprised to see a war in there as well.
I don't trust the media at the best of times but when they go out of their way to wipe the right off the face of the earth and promote the left I worry - a lot!

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Jan 21 10.02am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Once again; it wasn’t an analogy. It was a joke.
People believe what they want to believe. Confirmation bias is very powerful.
Being around for whatever length of time is no guarantee of wisdom. Trump has been around for a long time and even though he reached a job only 44 people had done in history he wasn’t overly wise was he?

You must have a sense of humour that passes me by. Never mind. If you found it funny I am happy for you.

Your second point is true though. There are always exceptions and boy oh boy was Trump an exception! He will keep historians busy writing books for centuries.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Jan 21 10.30am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Welcome to the next incumbent of the presidential chair, a virtual dictatorship in a totally busted system.

He will be issuing executive orders just like Hitler and Trump did, his majority in the senate is too tight, we just have to hope they are right for everybody.

He is very experienced and I think he gets his unlimited power aa being healing his country in health terms and in spirit.

Climate, the world's biggest challenge, here the USA can lead again with it's vast resources.

President's usually promise 100 days of action, I think we are looking at 20/30 this time.

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Jan 21 11.28am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You must have a sense of humour that passes me by. Never mind. If you found it funny I am happy for you.

Your second point is true though. There are always exceptions and boy oh boy was Trump an exception! He will keep historians busy writing books for centuries.

I don't think you'll find he's that Historically significant in the end. No one remembers the last Roman Emperor, for example. In my opinion, the lustre has worn off of the United States. The political frenzy we are witnessing is the last throes of dominant Western Power as we know it. We are in a transitional phase. Empires and Superpowers come and go, rise and fall. It's one of a few constants we can rely on.
This is not a prophesy of doom. Q didn't send me. Just stating the obvious: nothing lasts forever.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Jan 21 11.50am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I don't think you'll find he's that Historically significant in the end. No one remembers the last Roman Emperor, for example. In my opinion, the lustre has worn off of the United States. The political frenzy we are witnessing is the last throes of dominant Western Power as we know it. We are in a transitional phase. Empires and Superpowers come and go, rise and fall. It's one of a few constants we can rely on.
This is not a prophesy of doom. Q didn't send me. Just stating the obvious: nothing lasts forever.

You may well be right about Trump fading into historical obscurity. I am just happy to see him fading into current obscurity with the prospect if the Senate do what I think they will end up doing of that being made permanent.

It was always the case that if the 21st century belonged to the USA then the 22nd would probably belong to China. I just didn't expect the US to hasten that change quite so much.

It's one of the primary reasons why I opposed Brexit quite as fiercely as I did. With all it's faults the EU looks to me to provide a much safer and potentially better place for the UK than being out alone in a world dominated by China and with our previous best mate on the ropes.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 20 Jan 21 12.03pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You must have a sense of humour that passes me by. Never mind. If you found it funny I am happy for you.

Your second point is true though. There are always exceptions and boy oh boy was Trump an exception! He will keep historians busy writing books for centuries.

Your first point is a given.
I was surprised to read that Trump’s infamous wall has continued, albeit most of the 400+ miles built replaced that already existing. I didn’t know there was already 650 miles of wall in place when he took over.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 20 Jan 21 12.21pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Here's my (final) take on it all:

Trump is and was never a career politician: he was blunt, abrasive and undiplomatic. The political establishment hated him for that (he beat them at their own game), and they went out of their way to bring him down no matter what - these efforts were not even limited to the Democrats. We've seen the 4 year culmination of this, and the pliant simpletons (I can name a few on here) still eagerly suckle at the teat of this rampant misinformation campaign until they are worked up into an utter frenzy. God, I fear for what will sustain their feeble intellects when the "Orange man bad" is no longer living rent-free in their empty heads.

Biden is a career politician: he has a murky past, he is a f***ing creep around children (if you can find the videos that have now been memory-holed), he is utterly compromised in his family's dodgy dealings with China, Russia and the Ukraine (god knows elsewhere), he has a terrible legislative history, his son is a walking disaster zone and (if the pictures I've seen are genuine) a shoe-in for 15-20 years minimum in the slammer. But... he is a career politican, and he has the cover and protection from a new branch of the US government: the media.

So, with this media fawning, hyper-partisan, liberal-dominated, covering up, not holding him to account, running interference, shilling for him, censoring his political opponents:

Does anyone have any realistic expectations that these people will hold Biden to account when he screws up?

I don't.


As others have said, certainly reasonable about Biden, but distorted about Trump. As his core Trump is a man who needs someone or something to hate, and as such he's as culpable as the pushback and most certainly revved his supporters to a dangerous extent. Also if you highlight Bidens 'dodgy dealings' but imagine that Trump hasn't made a career out of that then the slant becomes rather fascicle (Let's see those tax returns!).

As for the Biden kids comments, it's only fair to also state that there is actual recorded testimony regarding Trump relating to child sexual abuse (the veracity of which who knows), and he has in the past made noteworthy non judgemental comments with regard to Jeffry Epstein ('likes them on the young side' - perhaps he didn't know how young) and well as pontificating about what his own young childs breasts might look like when she gets older (which fits 'creepy' rather well). I've seen numerous comments on here about Biden, but if people are going to read that much into such things, then the same, or rather worse could be inferred (very likely incorrectly in both of their cases) about his political opposite.

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