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Penge Eagle Beckenham 06 May 20 1.29pm | |
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This is the BBC archive on Brett Kavanaugh at all the various stages. [Link] I remember there were days when he was the main story on the BBC home page. Remember he was just a judge in another country! Not sure how you could legitimately justify the newsworthiness to a UK audience other than – which goes back to the title of this topic – bias against Trump as he appointed a conservative to the supreme court. Though it's early days, there are three stories in the BBC archive regarding Joe Biden and Tara Reade. I don't remember seeing any on the BBC home page or covered much by Sky, ITV, CH4. We'll see in the coming weeks if the coverage of a political heavyweight (Democrat) vs a circuit court judge (Republican) gets equal weighting in the UK... I have no idea if Tara Reade's allegations are true or false. But sexual assault is a serious matter and there needs to be the same due process as what happened with Kavanaugh. Edited by Penge Eagle (06 May 2020 1.33pm)
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Teddy Eagle 06 May 20 1.43pm | |
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Joe Biden 2016.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 May 20 3.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
This is the BBC archive on Brett Kavanaugh at all the various stages. [Link] I remember there were days when he was the main story on the BBC home page. Remember he was just a judge in another country! Not sure how you could legitimately justify the newsworthiness to a UK audience other than – which goes back to the title of this topic – bias against Trump as he appointed a conservative to the supreme court. Though it's early days, there are three stories in the BBC archive regarding Joe Biden and Tara Reade. I don't remember seeing any on the BBC home page or covered much by Sky, ITV, CH4. We'll see in the coming weeks if the coverage of a political heavyweight (Democrat) vs a circuit court judge (Republican) gets equal weighting in the UK... I have no idea if Tara Reade's allegations are true or false. But sexual assault is a serious matter and there needs to be the same due process as what happened with Kavanaugh. Edited by Penge Eagle (06 May 2020 1.33pm) As has already been pointed out several times the two situations are not directly comparable. Kavanaugh's was indeed following the appropriate due process, albeit one tainted by politics and therefore not truly independent and objective. There was therefore a predictable outcome which left a nasty smell behind. Biden has just been the subject of accusations, without any formal investigations. If and when there is I expect there to be every bit as much media interest as there was with Kavanaugh for that's when he too will benefit from due process. Biden has himself spoken about the need to presume that any woman making such claims must have some reason to. That being the case I would expect him, and the DMC, to welcome the opportunity to clear his name. That the BBC covered this extensively is not difficult to understand. Trump is, to say the least, a controversial President who is attempting to change the face of our closest ally. As one of his key weapons in achieving that is via the balance of the Supreme Court who he nominates for any vacancy is of paramount interest. SC Justices are for life and Kavanaugh is 55 so could serve for another 30 or more years. He could easily make a much bigger difference to the USA than Biden who would be around for a maximum of 8, although that is unlikely and may not yet be involved at all. Kavanaugh is very far from just being a "circuit court judge (Republican)". This thread ought to be renamed "Bias in favour of Trump" given the balance of opinions that are expressed. Opinions that are hugely out of kilter with those generally found in the UK. Indeed given how Trump behaves, his inconsistencies, lack of compassion and sensitivity it's difficult to see how any bias against him can actually exist. Every criticism I see is thoroughly justified.
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cryrst The garden of England 06 May 20 6.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As has already been pointed out several times the two situations are not directly comparable. Kavanaugh's was indeed following the appropriate due process, albeit one tainted by politics and therefore not truly independent and objective. There was therefore a predictable outcome which left a nasty smell behind. Biden has just been the subject of accusations, without any formal investigations. If and when there is I expect there to be every bit as much media interest as there was with Kavanaugh for that's when he too will benefit from due process. Biden has himself spoken about the need to presume that any woman making such claims must have some reason to. That being the case I would expect him, and the DMC, to welcome the opportunity to clear his name. That the BBC covered this extensively is not difficult to understand. Trump is, to say the least, a controversial President who is attempting to change the face of our closest ally. As one of his key weapons in achieving that is via the balance of the Supreme Court who he nominates for any vacancy is of paramount interest. SC Justices are for life and Kavanaugh is 55 so could serve for another 30 or more years. He could easily make a much bigger difference to the USA than Biden who would be around for a maximum of 8, although that is unlikely and may not yet be involved at all. Kavanaugh is very far from just being a "circuit court judge (Republican)". This thread ought to be renamed "Bias in favour of Trump" given the balance of opinions that are expressed. Opinions that are hugely out of kilter with those generally found in the UK. Indeed given how Trump behaves, his inconsistencies, lack of compassion and sensitivity it's difficult to see how any bias against him can actually exist. Every criticism I see is thoroughly justified. Directly or not, they are comparible. Woman accused high ranking member of office. Clearly are.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 May 20 9.07am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Directly or not, they are comparible. Woman accused high ranking member of office. Clearly are. That they are being compared by some is clearly true. The real questions though are why, how, when and by whom.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 May 20 11.24pm | |
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Just when I think the political situation in the USA cannot sink any lower, and the Trump administration has plumbed the depths of dubious manipulation, I always find there is another step down they are capable of finding. Today Bill Barr, the Attorney General has, sold out the Justice Department to please his political master. It was always expected that Trump would ultimately pardon his friend General Michael Flynn but the JD has spared him that need and requested the Judge drop the case on the basis of an internal enquiry into the way it was handled. You have only to read the arguments involved to realise this is all politics and is part of Trump's attempts to discredit the whole FBI enquiry into the Russian interference which led up to the Mueller report. We know that Barr whitewashed what Mueller actually said but this action clearly demonstrates just how like a mafia boss Trump's approach really is. He demands personal loyalty and protection from those he appoints above all else, including loyalty to the country and constitution. Fail to give that and you get fired. Trump wanted Flynn cleared so Barr arranged it for him. To politicise justice in this way sets a very dangerous precedent, in my opinion.
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Teddy Eagle 08 May 20 1.41am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Just when I think the political situation in the USA cannot sink any lower, and the Trump administration has plumbed the depths of dubious manipulation, I always find there is another step down they are capable of finding. Today Bill Barr, the Attorney General has, sold out the Justice Department to please his political master. It was always expected that Trump would ultimately pardon his friend General Michael Flynn but the JD has spared him that need and requested the Judge drop the case on the basis of an internal enquiry into the way it was handled. You have only to read the arguments involved to realise this is all politics and is part of Trump's attempts to discredit the whole FBI enquiry into the Russian interference which led up to the Mueller report. We know that Barr whitewashed what Mueller actually said but this action clearly demonstrates just how like a mafia boss Trump's approach really is. He demands personal loyalty and protection from those he appoints above all else, including loyalty to the country and constitution. Fail to give that and you get fired. Trump wanted Flynn cleared so Barr arranged it for him. To politicise justice in this way sets a very dangerous precedent, in my opinion. So Trump’s attorney and campaign manager are both convicted, for crimes other than collusion with Russia, but Trump applies pressure not to convict a man who’d been in post for 3 weeks?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 9.28am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So Trump’s attorney and campaign manager are both convicted, for crimes other than collusion with Russia, but Trump applies pressure not to convict a man who’d been in post for 3 weeks? A man in that post for only 3 weeks but involved for much longer. A man with knowledge of how the whole bucket of worms was constructed. A man who pleaded guilty. A man who the previous administration had sacked and warned the incoming administration was a security risk. A man with established connections with Russia and who has openly stated he wants closer ties between the USA and Russia. Yes that man. The other two got convicted on ancillary charges presumably because of plausible deniability. There was though an awful lot of smoke swirling around both of them that also threatened to engulf Trump. Flynn is no different. Sometimes prosecutors find that necessary to put people where they belong. Remember what Al Capone was convicted of? His experience is a pale shadow of what is happening now. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 May 2020 9.29am)
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Teddy Eagle 08 May 20 12.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
A man in that post for only 3 weeks but involved for much longer. A man with knowledge of how the whole bucket of worms was constructed. A man who pleaded guilty. A man who the previous administration had sacked and warned the incoming administration was a security risk. A man with established connections with Russia and who has openly stated he wants closer ties between the USA and Russia. Yes that man. The other two got convicted on ancillary charges presumably because of plausible deniability. There was though an awful lot of smoke swirling around both of them that also threatened to engulf Trump. Flynn is no different. Sometimes prosecutors find that necessary to put people where they belong. Remember what Al Capone was convicted of? His experience is a pale shadow of what is happening now. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 May 2020 9.29am) Is there any evidence of wrongdoing on Flynn’s part? Many people had/have dubious connections. What has Trump done wrong here?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 1.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Is there any evidence of wrongdoing on Flynn’s part? Many people had/have dubious connections. What has Trump done wrong here? He admitted he lied when he denied discussing issues with the Russian ambassador. He was sacked by the previous administration for being a security risk and his mismanagement and temperament. Vice Presidents, and indeed Presidents, are required to meet and deal with many people. Flynn wasn't a VP. He was a conduit for dubious negotiations between unelected power groups. Flynn is a loyal ally of Trump. Trump protects loyalty and seemingly values it higher than honesty or legality. He would have done this via nods, winks and tweets. His style is always hands off to ensure deniability. However if you want to prove YOUR loyalty then you take heed of those nods and winks. It stinks.
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Teddy Eagle 08 May 20 1.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He admitted he lied when he denied discussing issues with the Russian ambassador. He was sacked by the previous administration for being a security risk and his mismanagement and temperament. Vice Presidents, and indeed Presidents, are required to meet and deal with many people. Flynn wasn't a VP. He was a conduit for dubious negotiations between unelected power groups. Flynn is a loyal ally of Trump. Trump protects loyalty and seemingly values it higher than honesty or legality. He would have done this via nods, winks and tweets. His style is always hands off to ensure deniability. However if you want to prove YOUR loyalty then you take heed of those nods and winks. It stinks. I’m not disagreeing with you but is there any evidence against Flynn? Regarding Biden jnr VPs sons don’t usually get paid 50,000 Dollars a month by Ukrainian gas companies.
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sitdownstandup 09 May 20 8.25am | |
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Not much into politics and don't particularly like Donald Trump either but his press secretary gave a great response when asked whether she would take back some of the comments she said a few months ago about how America would be protected from it: Edited by sitdownstandup (09 May 2020 8.25am)
Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshipping. Hubert Reeves |
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