This thread is about CONservative Government incompetence. I believe there is a thread for Sir Keir should you wish to avail yourself of that.

So let's talk about the ex Party Chair, who didn't let two successive Prime Ministers know that he was under investigation for his tax issues and was later fined a massive £1.1m by HMRC. Yet he didn't see it as a relevant issue to discuss when he became the boss of, er, HMRC. Awkward.

Let's get back to CONservative Government incompetence

It looks like some Tories are scenting blood, seeing Sunak as holed beneath the waterline. Notice how BoJo is back strutting his stuff. It seems likely he wants to wrest back control.

When will the bloomin Government ever have time to actually govern and deal with the total mess it has dragged us into. Maybe it's just easier to spend its time on internal battles.

At which point are you arguing that Ireland became a socially liberal place? Because I really hope it's not the 1960s or anything close to that.

This is just a random pick & mix of statistics, over a huge time period, without any context around them, and then whatever conclusion you want to make.

The fertility rate fell in a country where contraception and abortion were illegal until the 80s and beyond... is that surprising?

Most of the above could be attributed to Ireland's escape from being utterly dominated by the Catholic Church and the freedom that came with that for much of the population.

I don't know many Irish people who'd agree with you that their society has got worse, culturally or otherwise, since the 1960s.

As I stated, the figures are from the low point in the sixties to the current day. While I would say that Ireland has been socially liberal for decades now the process is obviously a matter of degrees as generational shift occurs with ongoing neo and social liberal indoctrination from birth to adulthood.

I disagree. I provided the context and all the statistics are sociological in nature just as the ruling philosophy has its sociological component.

While I would agree that a rise in these statistics would have occurred for various reasons...drug availability for example. I also regard a dismissal of liberalism's corrosive affects as burying heads in the sand.

I would argue that the pill has had both a positive but also a largely ignored negative affect upon society.

If someone thinks about it I'd argue that sociologically it's a net negative for society in many ways.

I suggest that the way you have phrased that suggests a bias that doesn't reflect the affects that have resulted. I'm not personally religious though I was raised within that cultural sphere as most of those of a certain age were.

I will again point out the disgusting scandals that we all are aware of and condemn.

However, let it not be forgotten that for the vast majority the Church played a massively stablising influence in people's lives and provided a moral compass that today's absence has left many comparatively directionless.

I think the loss of these stablising forces are playing out in front of many of us. I think many of us recognise that now.

Media indoctrination plays a large part. An industry of social liberals pumps a one eyed vision of the world into people's brains non stop and without any allowed counter narrative.

However, I would point to the significant percent of people with mental illness compared to the past, prescription drug dependencies and surveys on happiness for example.....With women it's a statistical fact that they were happier before feminism....which is the high priest of social liberalism.

I would argue that most of the later affects of feminism benefited middle class women far more than it ever did the majority of them and has in fact worsened their lives....Again, both the economic and social surveys tend to bare that out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jan 2023 1.50pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

While it's true that there is far more detail to each individual social metric, many books in fact, to me the summary conclusions are pretty obvious and accurate.

You are of course at liberty to disagree.

Something else that neo 'liberalism' is doing its damnest to censor as well.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

yes and we heard all that cobblers before 1997 and then ended up with over 10 years of economic growth