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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Jan 23 2.57pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Right. So just leave the Government in place then. Because that works so very well. I agree with giving councils more power and resources that doesn't mean you need an elected mayor though a council leader is quite sufficient in most cases. I can see the argument for a mayor of London (although not this particular one) but a Mayor of Croydon or Lewisham is just pointless. The problem with devolving power and money is everybody gets very parochial. Local politicians will always talk about local needs which they want the rest of us to fund, yet every time a a new housing project or airport is identified they are up in arms, build it somewhere else. That is why the nimbies can be overruled by Westminster for the greater good of the country otherwise we will just have "I'm all right Jack, councils". So there has to be a balance and currently central government has far too much power at the moment. One more point
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Beckenham 27 Jan 23 2.57pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Right. So just leave the Government in place then. Because that works so very well.

I agree with giving councils more power and resources that doesn't mean you need an elected mayor though a council leader is quite sufficient in most cases. I can see the argument for a mayor of London (although not this particular one) but a Mayor of Croydon or Lewisham is just pointless.

The problem with devolving power and money is everybody gets very parochial. Local politicians will always talk about local needs which they want the rest of us to fund, yet every time a a new housing project or airport is identified they are up in arms, build it somewhere else.

That is why the nimbies can be overruled by Westminster for the greater good of the country otherwise we will just have "I'm all right Jack, councils".

So there has to be a balance and currently central government has far too much power at the moment.

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Mapletree Croydon 27 Jan 23 3.02pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I agree with giving councils more power and resources that doesn't mean you need an elected mayor though a council leader is quite sufficient in most cases. I can see the argument for a mayor of London (although not this particular one) but a Mayor of Croydon or Lewisham is just pointless. The problem with devolving power and money is everybody gets very parochial. Local politicians will always talk about local needs which they want the rest of us to fund, yet every time a a new housing project or airport is identified they are up in arms, build it somewhere else. That is why the nimbies can be overruled by Westminster for the greater good of the country otherwise we will just have "I'm all right Jack, councils". So there has to be a balance and currently central government has far too much power at the moment. I agree with all of that, albeit not necessarily your view on the Mayor of London. Our (Croydon) Mayor is absolutely not additive, but then he is no Andy Burnham. Such a shame it was he that got in and not Val Shawcross who would actually have had an impact
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Croydon 27 Jan 23 3.02pm

Originally posted by Badger11

That is why the nimbies can be overruled by Westminster for the greater good of the country otherwise we will just have "I'm all right Jack, councils".

So there has to be a balance and currently central government has far too much power at the moment.

I agree with all of that, albeit not necessarily your view on the Mayor of London.

Our (Croydon) Mayor is absolutely not additive, but then he is no Andy Burnham. Such a shame it was he that got in and not Val Shawcross who would actually have had an impact

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georgenorman 27 Jan 23 3.05pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Right. So just leave the Government in place then. Because that works so very well. We are overgoverned - strip away as much government as we can.
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27 Jan 23 3.05pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Right. So just leave the Government in place then. Because that works so very well.

We are overgoverned - strip away as much government as we can.

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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Jan 23 3.12pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I agree with all of that, albeit not necessarily your view on the Mayor of London. Our (Croydon) Mayor is absolutely not additive, but then he is no Andy Burnham. Such a shame it was he that got in and not Val Shawcross who would actually have had an impact I think an elected mayor of one borough is just too small I don't see what they can do that a council leader can't. The problem with a Mayor that covers multiple areas e.g. Khan is that they comes into conflict with the local councils over resources money and power. My own preference is for councils to organise themselves like the Northern Powerhouse so no directed elected leader but councils with shared interests working together. Edited by Badger11 (27 Jan 2023 3.13pm) One more point
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Beckenham 27 Jan 23 3.12pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I agree with all of that, albeit not necessarily your view on the Mayor of London.

Our (Croydon) Mayor is absolutely not additive, but then he is no Andy Burnham. Such a shame it was he that got in and not Val Shawcross who would actually have had an impact

I think an elected mayor of one borough is just too small I don't see what they can do that a council leader can't.

The problem with a Mayor that covers multiple areas e.g. Khan is that they comes into conflict with the local councils over resources money and power.

My own preference is for councils to organise themselves like the Northern Powerhouse so no directed elected leader but councils with shared interests working together.

Edited by Badger11 (27 Jan 2023 3.13pm)

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HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Jan 23 12.20pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Levelling up anyone? Nobody seriously thinks it is anything other than a political slogan. The regions are not much more than beggars at a rich mans table. The German system much mooted where regional equality is built into the system, was actually the allies after WW2 who did not want central power to be in Berlin. It has been floated here but never really been of much interest to voters, now it appears imperative. Starmers plan to devolve power to communities is timely and constructive. You still long for an anti semite to lead the country, seriously? Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 28 Jan 23 12.20pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Levelling up anyone?

Nobody seriously thinks it is anything other than a political slogan.

The regions are not much more than beggars at a rich mans table.

The German system much mooted where regional equality is built into the system, was actually the allies after WW2 who did not want central power to be in Berlin.

It has been floated here but never really been of much interest to voters, now it appears imperative.

Starmers plan to devolve power to communities is timely and constructive.

You still long for an anti semite to lead the country, seriously?

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Grumbles 28 Jan 23 8.58pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I agree with all of that, albeit not necessarily your view on the Mayor of London. Our (Croydon) Mayor is absolutely not additive, but then he is no Andy Burnham. Such a shame it was he that got in and not Val Shawcross who would actually have had an impact He has made an excellent impact on the planning committee. In have argued that Croydon is to big to be a single town council, and needs to separate again into 2 separate entities. There is no chance of city status so lets have somethin manageable.
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Grumbles 28 Jan 23 8.58pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I agree with all of that, albeit not necessarily your view on the Mayor of London.

Our (Croydon) Mayor is absolutely not additive, but then he is no Andy Burnham. Such a shame it was he that got in and not Val Shawcross who would actually have had an impact

He has made an excellent impact on the planning committee.

In have argued that Croydon is to big to be a single town council, and needs to separate again into 2 separate entities.
There is no chance of city status so lets have somethin manageable.

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Jan 23 12.14am
Originally posted by Grumbles He has made an excellent impact on the planning committee. In have argued that Croydon is to big to be a single town council, and needs to separate again into 2 separate entities. There is no chance of city status so lets have somethin manageable. Has he? Please elaborate. Planning in Croydon IMO has been rife with corruption for years, including when Perry led the Conservatives on the Council, but didn’t the changes predate having the Mayor? Edited by Mapletree (29 Jan 2023 12.15am)
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Mapletree

Croydon 29 Jan 23 12.14am

Originally posted by Grumbles

He has made an excellent impact on the planning committee.

In have argued that Croydon is to big to be a single town council, and needs to separate again into 2 separate entities.
There is no chance of city status so lets have somethin manageable.

Has he? Please elaborate. Planning in Croydon IMO has been rife with corruption for years, including when Perry led the Conservatives on the Council, but didn’t the changes predate having the Mayor?

Edited by Mapletree (29 Jan 2023 12.15am)

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Midlands Eagle 29 Jan 23 9.17am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Sir Rod Stewart has called on the Tories to stand aside and hand power to Labour, saying he has “never seen” Britain in such a bad state. A senile old fool whose main hobby is marrying women young enough to be his daughter. Is anyone interested in his opinion on any subject other than snaring young dollies
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Originally posted by steeleye20

Sir Rod Stewart has called on the Tories to stand aside and hand power to Labour, saying he has “never seen” Britain in such a bad state.

A senile old fool whose main hobby is marrying women young enough to be his daughter. Is anyone interested in his opinion on any subject other than snaring young dollies

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Badger11 Beckenham 29 Jan 23 9.55am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle A senile old fool whose main hobby is marrying women young enough to be his daughter. Is anyone interested in his opinion on any subject other than snaring young dollies Surely you mean senile old tax dodger left the UK in the seventies because he didn't want to pay Labour high taxes. I have never understood politicians fascination with celebrity endorsements most of these people are completely unreliable and even hypocrites who usually end up becoming the story themselves. If I was PM I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. One more point
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Beckenham 29 Jan 23 9.55am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

A senile old fool whose main hobby is marrying women young enough to be his daughter. Is anyone interested in his opinion on any subject other than snaring young dollies

Surely you mean senile old tax dodger left the UK in the seventies because he didn't want to pay Labour high taxes.

I have never understood politicians fascination with celebrity endorsements most of these people are completely unreliable and even hypocrites who usually end up becoming the story themselves. If I was PM I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

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steeleye20 Croydon 29 Jan 23 10.34am
100 dynamic days? Still mired in moral squalor it is now built-in really. So much for restoring trust and integrity its amazing how these individuals are able to wriggle and squirm until the inevitable end.
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steeleye20

Croydon 29 Jan 23 10.34am

100 dynamic days?

Still mired in moral squalor it is now built-in really.

So much for restoring trust and integrity its amazing how these individuals are able to wriggle and squirm until the inevitable end.

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Jacey 29 Jan 23 12.12pm
All as bad as one another: [Link]
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Jacey

29 Jan 23 12.12pm

All as bad as one another:

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 29 Jan 23 12.39pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Sir Rod Stewart has called on the Tories to stand aside and hand power to Labour, saying he has “never seen” Britain in such a bad state. He 'wears it well', but he'd 'rather go blind' than have any more of the tories. Great idea- would save all that tedious rigmarole of a general election too...
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