The west isn’t “in” Ukraine! It is providing support to a relatively small country which has been invaded by a much bigger neighbour, who are solely responsible for causing all the death and destruction. Without that support the death and destruction could easily have been even worse and threatening to spread further.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Fantasy.

You are viewing this from a Western point of view.
Putin does not share this vision.

The Cuban Missile crisis cannot simply be seen as Russian aggression. America had nukes in Turkey already. It had tried to overthrow Castro's Cuba.
It was part of a wider picture of tit for tat moves by both sides.
Remember that the nuclear arms race was started by America who told us all that Russia had many nuclear weapons when it in fact originally had hardly any.

When you choose a side, and I am staunchly on the side of Britain our allies, you have to do it with your eyes open.

Let's not kid ourselves that everything we do is 'good'.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Jun 2024 8.36am)

The arms race was born from paranoia on both sides.
America is the only country to have used nukes in anger.

It is paranoia that starts wars and silences free speech. Paranoia is dangerous when nuclear powers stop talking to each other and indulge in ever more risky proxy wars.

The line is already drawn. If Putin ever attacks a NATO country then go and buy some white paint and two years supply of food and water. It won't help but it will make you feel better.

Your strong stance on security is very puzzling coming from a man who sees no problem with allowing millions of migrants to come here, many of whom follow a faith that runs contrary to our way of life and puts British lives at risk. Where is you paranoia when it is justified?

The idea that Nato is a 'defensive alliance' should perhaps be told to Serbia.

My brother has fought in Nato and I'm not against it when used sensibly but a certain poster talks utter rot on the subject.

The west is very much is in Ukraine and has been for a long time....you'd have to be deaf and blind to think otherwise. It started under Obama and Biden....the evidence is from Biden's mouth himself....The west have been deeply embedded in Ukraine and interfering within it exactly to the aim of removing it from Russian influence.....Now Ukraine is a giant ball and chain.

A sodding border country to Russia! Insane....The warnings were made over ten years ago and Farage was loud about it. This war isn't existential for us yet these globalist clowns want to gear up for war.

The west is doing far more than providing 'support' to Ukraine....it's involved itself in a war that not only has little to do with most of us but could lead to all our destruction....and once again, Ukraine isn't and wasn't in Nato and has nothing to do with us.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jun 2024 11.35am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

'NATO Will Pay...': Putin Roars As American ATACMS Missiles Kill Russians On Crimea Beach'.

[Link]

Yep, we are being lined up for a war with Russia.

We aren't really a democracy.

You can only hope that we aren't dragged in before Trump gets in....maybe that's their plan, to start the war before he gets into office and thus have him committed.

Personally I hold the Nato leadership in contempt as much I do with the EU....but Nato's current leadership is dangerous and they put us in danger here.

I want nothing to do with their wars, Putin, Zelensky and Nato can feck off.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jun 2024 12.19pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)