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Badger11 Beckenham 05 May 20 6.51am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Do you have any evidence that she wants to be heard? I suspect the difference is legal. One gave evidence on oath where widespread reporting of what was said is allowed. The other is rumour which if reported and false will have the publisher on their knees on the wrong end of a colossal libel case. She has made a formal complaint to the police so if untrue presumably this is perjury. I don't see any differences between the cases both happened a long time ago and there is no independent evidence so likely this will come down to the court of public opinion and peoples own prejudices.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 May 20 9.26am | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
"Merely a candidate for office"? Are you serious? He's on the verge of being president of the USA. Your dismissive stance to a woman's claim that she was sexually assaulted is disgusting. Right now that's all he is. He hasn't even won the nomination. Your complaint was directed at the MSM for not covering it as fully as the Kavanaugh hearing and as has been pointed out there are some very good reasons why they don't. You especially target the BBC for not mentioning it but they have. This report from 2 days ago examines it fully:- I have read some stories about Ms Reade which suggest she has made many such complaints about a variety of people in the past, has defrauded go fund me accounts and is in essence an attention seeker. I have no more idea whether that is true than whether her allegation is. Which only points up the need for healthy scepticism and not to jump to conclusions. Only after testimony under oath and a thorough cross examination would an opinion have any validity. Kavanaugh came into the public eye for the first time when nominated by Trump to sit on the Supreme Court. The timing of that had nothing to do with the Democrats. The timing of this stinks but it is notable that neither Trump nor his campaign are pushing it as they know it's an area of considerable weakness for him. It's only his sycophantic support base who are getting excited. I am sure Biden would welcome a full under oath examination by the Senate, if he does become the candidate, so long as Trump does too. Such a process to determine that whoever is going to become the POTUS is a fit and proper person makes perfect sense. Just imagine if that had happened in 2016.Trump would certainly have been thrown out. So I am not dismissing anything. I simply want things done properly and fairly for all and to all.
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cryrst The garden of England 05 May 20 9.38am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Right now that's all he is. He hasn't even won the nomination. Your complaint was directed at the MSM for not covering it as fully as the Kavanaugh hearing and as has been pointed out there are some very good reasons why they don't. You especially target the BBC for not mentioning it but they have. This report from 2 days ago examines it fully:- I have read some stories about Ms Reade which suggest she has made many such complaints about a variety of people in the past, has defrauded go fund me accounts and is in essence an attention seeker. I have no more idea whether that is true than whether her allegation is. Which only points up the need for healthy scepticism and not to jump to conclusions. Only after testimony under oath and a thorough cross examination would an opinion have any validity. Kavanaugh came into the public eye for the first time when nominated by Trump to sit on the Supreme Court. The timing of that had nothing to do with the Democrats. The timing of this stinks but it is notable that neither Trump nor his campaign are pushing it as they know it's an area of considerable weakness for him. It's only his sycophantic support base who are getting excited. I am sure Biden would welcome a full under oath examination by the Senate, if he does become the candidate, so long as Trump does too. Such a process to determine that whoever is going to become the POTUS is a fit and proper person makes perfect sense. Just imagine if that had happened in 2016.Trump would certainly have been thrown out. So I am not dismissing anything. I simply want things done properly and fairly for all and to all. Talking of cross examination etc. What's happening with the impeachment.
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Badger11 Beckenham 05 May 20 9.42am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Talking of cross examination etc. What's happening with the impeachment. The Democrats are biding their time I hear they plan to impeach him after his second term.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 May 20 10.02am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Talking of cross examination etc. What's happening with the impeachment. What's the significance? Impeachment is a political act and not a legal one. It doesn't even pretend to determine the truth of anything. All it does is allow the arguments to be aired in public. With the Senate balanced as it is the outcome was known from the beginning. Removing Trump was never going to happen. It was not something that the top Democrats wanted to proceed with but felt they had to in order to show their own supporters that they were doing all they could to remove the idiot. It has though put a stain on him. Trump wasn't even cross examined. He refused to take the risk no doubt because his big mouth cannot be trusted under oath. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (05 May 2020 10.05am)
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cryrst The garden of England 05 May 20 11.57am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What's the significance? Impeachment is a political act and not a legal one. It doesn't even pretend to determine the truth of anything. All it does is allow the arguments to be aired in public. With the Senate balanced as it is the outcome was known from the beginning. Removing Trump was never going to happen. It was not something that the top Democrats wanted to proceed with but felt they had to in order to show their own supporters that they were doing all they could to remove the idiot. It has though put a stain on him. Trump wasn't even cross examined. He refused to take the risk no doubt because his big mouth cannot be trusted under oath. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (05 May 2020 10.05am) No significance just that this is the trump thread.
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cryrst The garden of England 05 May 20 11.58am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The Democrats are biding their time I hear they plan to impeach him after his second term. More money wasted.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 May 20 12.31pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
No significance just that this is the trump thread. The significance to the matter under discussion! Which is the comparison of two, very different, ways that an allegation of sexual impropriety have been handled. You mentioned impeachment, not me. But I answered anyway.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 May 20 12.32pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
More money wasted. Not if it sees him go to jail and that discourages anyone with his kind of background ever running again.
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Teddy Eagle 05 May 20 12.57pm | |
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 05 May 20 1.04pm | |
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The lack of investigation into Joe Biden will probably end up killing the whole Me Too movement. We knew all along that the leftist elites didn't actually care about feminism, fighting for the truth or about "believing all women". They only wanted to attack Donald Trump and Republicans. This now proves it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 May 20 1.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The lack of investigation into Joe Biden will probably end up killing the whole Me Too movement. We knew all along that the leftist elites didn't actually care about feminism, fighting for the truth or about "believing all women". They only wanted to attack Donald Trump and Republicans. This now proves it. There is properly structured, trustworthy investigation into allegations of substance, and then there are unsubstantiated smears. Which do you think we are dealing with here? Of course you give everyone, including "all women" the benefit of the doubt but you also give those accused the right to defend themselves. Should you not do that the doors are open wide to endless scurrilous allegations. As could be the case here. Those involved in the "Me Too" movement understand that very well. These things need to be tested under oath, with both parties being cross examined. For most that means a Court. In this case a Senate committee hearing will be appropriate. For both Biden AND Trump.
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