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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 15 Aug 21 9.05am
Originally posted by beak We need to re- employ Roy. Vieira is DeBoer part two.We won't score,we will ship shed loads of goals.No points after seven games. So you're not even prepared to give Vieira a chance. Roy's Palace got thrashed 8-1 on aggregate by Chelsea last season and apart from Guehi, the team that started yesterday was Roy's. As much as I admire Roy for the stability he brought to the club, the last thing I want is to see him brought back. Roy's team gained just 5 points from last season's corresponding 9 fixtures we face from the start of this season (I've ignored the Brentford game). I reckon Vieira's team will gain more than that number by the time we've played Citeh (the last of those 9 fixtures).
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Too far from Selhurst Park 15 Aug 21 9.05am

Originally posted by beak

We need to re- employ Roy. Vieira is DeBoer part two.We won't score,we will ship shed loads of goals.No points after seven games.

So you're not even prepared to give Vieira a chance. Roy's Palace got thrashed 8-1 on aggregate by Chelsea last season and apart from Guehi, the team that started yesterday was Roy's.

As much as I admire Roy for the stability he brought to the club, the last thing I want is to see him brought back.

Roy's team gained just 5 points from last season's corresponding 9 fixtures we face from the start of this season (I've ignored the Brentford game). I reckon Vieira's team will gain more than that number by the time we've played Citeh (the last of those 9 fixtures).

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beak croydon 15 Aug 21 10.23am
Originally posted by doombear So you're not even prepared to give Vieira a chance. Roy's Palace got thrashed 8-1 on aggregate by Chelsea last season and apart from Guehi, the team that started yesterday was Roy's. As much as I admire Roy for the stability he brought to the club, the last thing I want is to see him brought back. Roy's team gained just 5 points from last season's corresponding 9 fixtures we face from the start of this season (I've ignored the Brentford game). I reckon Vieira's team will gain more than that number by the time we've played Citeh (the last of those 9 fixtures). In all honesty no,yesterday showed a shocking naivety. Edited by beak (15 Aug 2021 11.32am)
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croydon 15 Aug 21 10.23am

Originally posted by doombear

So you're not even prepared to give Vieira a chance. Roy's Palace got thrashed 8-1 on aggregate by Chelsea last season and apart from Guehi, the team that started yesterday was Roy's.

As much as I admire Roy for the stability he brought to the club, the last thing I want is to see him brought back.

In all honesty no,yesterday showed a shocking naivety.

Edited by beak (15 Aug 2021 11.32am)

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Goal Machine The Cronx 15 Aug 21 1.24pm
Originally posted by beak In all honesty no,yesterday showed a shocking naivety. Edited by beak (15 Aug 2021 11.32am) If anyone was expecting anything other than a comfortable Chelsea win, they need their head examined. They won the Champions League about 10 weeks ago! Olise & Eze injured, Gallagher not available, not sure about Andersen. It was pretty much Roy’s team with Gueye swapped in for Cahill. We’re going through a major overhaul and we’ll take a couple of months to get going. A point against Brentford would be a decent result. This season is about survival. The jury is out on PV simply because he’s an unknown quantity, but at least give the bloke a chance. De Boer was trying to fit round pegs in square holes, I don’t feel that with PV.
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The Cronx 15 Aug 21 1.24pm

Originally posted by beak

In all honesty no,yesterday showed a shocking naivety.

Edited by beak (15 Aug 2021 11.32am)

If anyone was expecting anything other than a comfortable Chelsea win, they need their head examined. They won the Champions League about 10 weeks ago!

Olise & Eze injured, Gallagher not available, not sure about Andersen. It was pretty much Roy’s team with Gueye swapped in for Cahill. We’re going through a major overhaul and we’ll take a couple of months to get going. A point against Brentford would be a decent result. This season is about survival. The jury is out on PV simply because he’s an unknown quantity, but at least give the bloke a chance.

De Boer was trying to fit round pegs in square holes, I don’t feel that with PV.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Aug 21 1.39pm
Originally posted by Goal Machine If anyone was expecting anything other than a comfortable Chelsea win, they need their head examined. They won the Champions League about 10 weeks ago! Olise & Eze injured, Gallagher not available, not sure about Andersen. It was pretty much Roy’s team with Gueye swapped in for Cahill. We’re going through a major overhaul and we’ll take a couple of months to get going. A point against Brentford would be a decent result. This season is about survival. The jury is out on PV simply because he’s an unknown quantity, but at least give the bloke a chance. De Boer was trying to fit round pegs in square holes, I don’t feel that with PV. Even if results and performances are less than impressive initially, I suspect he will be given time by supporters. If bumps in the road continue and we slide into the relegation zone, he will face shot and shell. Edited by Willo (15 Aug 2021 1.41pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Aug 21 1.39pm

Originally posted by Goal Machine

If anyone was expecting anything other than a comfortable Chelsea win, they need their head examined. They won the Champions League about 10 weeks ago!

Even if results and performances are less than impressive initially, I suspect he will be given time by supporters.
If bumps in the road continue and we slide into the relegation zone, he will face shot and shell.

Edited by Willo (15 Aug 2021 1.41pm)

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MR100% 15 Aug 21 9.30pm
Clueless, same team as we played against Watford despite having Benteke and Anderson available If you saw the game against Watford you'd have known Riedewald and Jimmy totally ineffective and it was only two bits of class by Wilf that made the difference ! Schlupp had no idea what he was supposed to be doing and Ayew sulked as he's not interested in being a winger ,wants to play as an out and out forward or a number 9 Vieira seems oblivious to this and don't kid yourselves its Dougie and Parrish that are signing the players !
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15 Aug 21 9.30pm

Clueless, same team as we played against Watford despite having Benteke and Anderson available

If you saw the game against Watford you'd have known Riedewald and Jimmy totally ineffective and it was only two bits of class by Wilf that made the difference !

Schlupp had no idea what he was supposed to be doing and Ayew sulked as he's not interested in being a winger ,wants to play as an out and out forward or a number 9
Vieira seems oblivious to this and don't kid yourselves its Dougie and Parrish that are signing the players !

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 15 Aug 21 9.52pm
Originally posted by MR100% Clueless, same team as we played against Watford despite having Benteke and Anderson available If you saw the game against Watford you'd have known Riedewald and Jimmy totally ineffective and it was only two bits of class by Wilf that made the difference ! Schlupp had no idea what he was supposed to be doing and Ayew sulked as he's not interested in being a winger ,wants to play as an out and out forward or a number 9 Vieira seems oblivious to this and don't kid yourselves its Dougie and Parrish that are signing the players ! They were almost certainly not deemed fit enough to start the game, only to come off the bench. Neither has had a sufficient pre-season and both were carrying minor knocks at the beginning of the month. So no, Vieira wasn't clueless at all. He simply played the limited cards he was dealt for this match, which let's face it wasn't much, Basically the team Roy had that got thrashed by Chelsea 8-1 on aggregate last season plus Guehi. Edited by doombear (15 Aug 2021 9.53pm)
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Too far from Selhurst Park 15 Aug 21 9.52pm

Originally posted by MR100%

Clueless, same team as we played against Watford despite having Benteke and Anderson available

If you saw the game against Watford you'd have known Riedewald and Jimmy totally ineffective and it was only two bits of class by Wilf that made the difference !

They were almost certainly not deemed fit enough to start the game, only to come off the bench. Neither has had a sufficient pre-season and both were carrying minor knocks at the beginning of the month. So no, Vieira wasn't clueless at all. He simply played the limited cards he was dealt for this match, which let's face it wasn't much, Basically the team Roy had that got thrashed by Chelsea 8-1 on aggregate last season plus Guehi.

Edited by doombear (15 Aug 2021 9.53pm)

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 15 Aug 21 10.58pm
I’ve only seen brief highlights but with the players available it’s easy to see why his tactics may have been muddled. Perhaps a bit naive to try to play through Chelsea but starting the season with the squad we currently have is poor IMO. You can’t afford to just write off x amount of games.
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I’ve only seen brief highlights but with the players available it’s easy to see why his tactics may have been muddled.

Perhaps a bit naive to try to play through Chelsea but starting the season with the squad we currently have is poor IMO. You can’t afford to just write off x amount of games.

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maddog Wiltshire 15 Aug 21 11.13pm
Originally posted by beak In all honesty no,yesterday showed a shocking naivety. Edited by beak (15 Aug 2021 11.32am) I agree. And there were even more naive comments today too! Shocking!
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Wiltshire 15 Aug 21 11.13pm

Originally posted by beak

In all honesty no,yesterday showed a shocking naivety.

Edited by beak (15 Aug 2021 11.32am)

I agree. And there were even more naive comments today too! Shocking!

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Aug 21 11.26pm
Originally posted by doombear They were almost certainly not deemed fit enough to start the game, only to come off the bench. Neither has had a sufficient pre-season and both were carrying minor knocks at the beginning of the month. So no, Vieira wasn't clueless at all. He simply played the limited cards he was dealt for this match, which let's face it wasn't much, Basically the team Roy had that got thrashed by Chelsea 8-1 on aggregate last season plus Guehi. Edited by doombear (15 Aug 2021 9.53pm) We have lost from last season, Cahill 20 starts, Dann 15, PVA 20, Townsend 25. The only new signing who started was Guehi who hadn't played in the top flight beforehand. Andersen of course was introduced from the bench. Gallagher unable to play against his parent club and Olise injured.Eze of course unavailable until next year. Vieira has said himself that the squad is light in numbers and more signings are required. Edited by Willo (15 Aug 2021 11.27pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Aug 21 11.26pm

Originally posted by doombear

They were almost certainly not deemed fit enough to start the game, only to come off the bench. Neither has had a sufficient pre-season and both were carrying minor knocks at the beginning of the month. So no, Vieira wasn't clueless at all. He simply played the limited cards he was dealt for this match, which let's face it wasn't much, Basically the team Roy had that got thrashed by Chelsea 8-1 on aggregate last season plus Guehi.

Edited by doombear (15 Aug 2021 9.53pm)

We have lost from last season, Cahill 20 starts, Dann 15, PVA 20, Townsend 25.
The only new signing who started was Guehi who hadn't played in the top flight beforehand.
Andersen of course was introduced from the bench.
Gallagher unable to play against his parent club and Olise injured.Eze of course unavailable until next year.
Vieira has said himself that the squad is light in numbers and more signings are required.

Edited by Willo (15 Aug 2021 11.27pm)

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Qwijibo Bournemouth 15 Aug 21 11.52pm
I have no idea whether Vieira will be a success or not, but this game was irrelevant either way. The Chelsea performance back in April was the best we faced last season. From the first minute they swarmed us with energy and intensity that our ageing squad couldn't get close to. Just over a month later they won the European Cup. Vieira has had one game to improve that gulf in standards. So much has been said of out squad overhaul, but none of those players played. So what's to have changed from last season? Despite their European game midweek, they were better prepared than us, because they've been preparing for nearly twenty years. Their squad is incredible, the depth is as good as anyone in Europe. They're a club run incredibly well. Their stuttering last season makes it easy to under-estimate just how good they are. Their infrastructure is as good as Manchester City, and like City, it's taken them years and years of investment and very good management across the whole club to get there. When you take all of that into consideration, without even looking at the line-ups, they should be beating us 3-0. And how do we compare? We sign players that can't get near their first team and yet the general consensus is that Loftus-Cheek, Batshuayi, Rak-Sakyi, Guéhi are/were signings that make us better. We have so much work to do, this game came way too soon for us. A win would have been incredible, but a defeat doesn't change anything. I'm thankful the fixture is done and we move on. It could have been worse. Edited by Qwijibo (16 Aug 2021 12.09am)
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Bournemouth 15 Aug 21 11.52pm

I have no idea whether Vieira will be a success or not, but this game was irrelevant either way.

The Chelsea performance back in April was the best we faced last season. From the first minute they swarmed us with energy and intensity that our ageing squad couldn't get close to. Just over a month later they won the European Cup. Vieira has had one game to improve that gulf in standards.

So much has been said of out squad overhaul, but none of those players played. So what's to have changed from last season?

Despite their European game midweek, they were better prepared than us, because they've been preparing for nearly twenty years. Their squad is incredible, the depth is as good as anyone in Europe.

They're a club run incredibly well. Their stuttering last season makes it easy to under-estimate just how good they are. Their infrastructure is as good as Manchester City, and like City, it's taken them years and years of investment and very good management across the whole club to get there. When you take all of that into consideration, without even looking at the line-ups, they should be beating us 3-0.

And how do we compare? We sign players that can't get near their first team and yet the general consensus is that Loftus-Cheek, Batshuayi, Rak-Sakyi, Guéhi are/were signings that make us better.

We have so much work to do, this game came way too soon for us. A win would have been incredible, but a defeat doesn't change anything.

I'm thankful the fixture is done and we move on. It could have been worse.

Edited by Qwijibo (16 Aug 2021 12.09am)

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Qwijibo Bournemouth 16 Aug 21 12.07am
not sure how I posted that twice Edited by Qwijibo (16 Aug 2021 12.08am)
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Qwijibo

Bournemouth 16 Aug 21 12.07am

not sure how I posted that twice

Edited by Qwijibo (16 Aug 2021 12.08am)

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beak croydon 16 Aug 21 9.46am
Originally posted by Willo We have lost from last season, Cahill 20 starts, Dann 15, PVA 20, Townsend 25. The only new signing who started was Guehi who hadn't played in the top flight beforehand. Andersen of course was introduced from the bench. Gallagher unable to play against his parent club and Olise injured.Eze of course unavailable until next year. Vieira has said himself that the squad is light in numbers and more signings are required. Edited by Willo (15 Aug 2021 11.27pm) So why are we light in numbers? We have money to spend.A manager should always take any blame,he trains the players,he is in charge of fitness.
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croydon 16 Aug 21 9.46am

Originally posted by Willo

We have lost from last season, Cahill 20 starts, Dann 15, PVA 20, Townsend 25.
The only new signing who started was Guehi who hadn't played in the top flight beforehand.
Andersen of course was introduced from the bench.
Gallagher unable to play against his parent club and Olise injured.Eze of course unavailable until next year.
Vieira has said himself that the squad is light in numbers and more signings are required.

Edited by Willo (15 Aug 2021 11.27pm)

So why are we light in numbers? We have money to spend.A manager should always take any blame,he trains the players,he is in charge of fitness.

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