Polling out that suggests the Conservatives will make a gain of 90+ seats from Labour in Thursday's local council elections along with winning Hartlepool.

Not sure Starmer can survive if this proves correct.

Still suspect they will hang on in Hartlepool and that should save his job but lose it all bets are off.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Starmer is actually highly intelligent and was the DPP.
Knighthood are commonplace now so ignore that.
I agree on him being poorly advised by the Woke brigade but he should no better.
His problem is that he is not a leader in any way, shape or form and he doesn't appear to be a man who people will follow.
Shame for Labour but good for the rest of us!

Labour's approach in the 2019 GE was very far from insane. The problem wasn't the policy it was the lack of enthusiasm for it from their worst ever leader. Corbyn lost that election well before it was ever finally called.

Offering the people a final say after a renegotiation would have forced a better deal out of the EU. If that was then rejected by the people after 4 years of rethinking then what where is the downside? We either got a better deal and a confirmation that the people genuinely wanted out, which would have laid to rest much of the dissatisfaction with the process, or we learned that even on better terms the people had reflected and changed their minds.

Only the insane reject such a concept.

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LOL. An 80 seat majority is all the proof you need to show how utterly insane it was. And if not for the Brexit Party saving Labour's arse in numerous other seats, it would have been even worse.

The constituency breakdown in England and Wales of the 2016 Brexit vote was 73-27 in favour of leaving. The very battleground that Labour needed to win if it stood a hope of forming the next Government.

Starmer broke with agreed Shadow Cabinet policy at the 2018 Labour Party Conference. He personally drove the drive for Labour to adopt not only a second referendum policy but also a beyond ludicrous promise that the leave deal they would negotiate would be one they would not be backing.

Either sheer lunacy or else a deliberate attempt to sabotage Corybn from standing a chance of building on what he achieved in 2017.

But you know all that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

The 80 seat majority was all down to Corbyn and the stupidity of Momentum combined with Brexit weariness. "Get Brexit Done" was a great buy line, but selling our future ought never be allowed to happen.

Whilst getting rid of Corbyn was as important to our ability to oppose right wing politics effectively as getting rid of Trump was in the USA that ought to have happened prior to the 2019 election. Had that happened everything would have been different.

This country would never vote into power a party led by a Marxist. That's the reality.

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We had better not start another Brexit was the "will of the people" debate or we will see this thread diverted. You know as well as I do that I, and people like me, disagree with the whole idea of such important decisions being subject to the political winds of fortune and shenanigans in a parliamentary democracy. I expect our professional elected representatives to do their job and decide on our behalf what is best for the country as a whole,

If the EU had of been asked to help secure a yes vote again, having seen what happened when they failed to do enough for Cameron, then we would certainly have got better terms for staying in, which would have been tied, by us, to some of them being in place whatever the outcome. That's down to good negotiating.

Brexit was a pigs breakfast from start to finish which we will still be eating 20 years or more from now.

Never in my lifetime have so many foolish decisions be taken in sequence. Now everyone can see for themselves what many of us realised from the start, that Johnson is nothing more than an opportunist who would support any cause if he thought it would benefit him personally.

These are sad times for us all. The only redemption is that the government has followed the advice of the professionals on covid.

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