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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Sep 17 11.32am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
No, I believe she was a Christian since birth way back in 1905. If there is genuine antisemitism, I believe it will come from one source. The traditional enemies of the Jewish race. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Sep 2017 11.32am)
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Kermit8 Hevon 30 Sep 17 11.42am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If there is genuine antisemitism, I believe it will come from one source. The traditional enemies of the Jewish race. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Sep 2017 11.32am) If the Israeli right-wing and far-right Religious types had been a little less zealous in stealing others' land and pursuing policies of prejudice I do wonder sometimes if the world would be a little bit more peaceful now. A lot of bother all over today has its nascence from Middle Eastern politics and that most definitely includes Israel's.
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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Sep 17 11.45am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If the Israeli right-wing and far-right Religious types had been a little less zealous in stealing others' land and pursuing policies of prejudice I do wonder sometimes if the world would be a little bit more peaceful now. A lot of bother all over today has its nascence from Middle Eastern politics and that most definitely includes Israel's. One of the worlds great ironies.
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Stirlingsays 30 Sep 17 11.46am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
How many called for it? I'm loving the minimalisation stuff. Everyone and their dogs knows what's happened to Labour. Corbyn comes in and the membership surges as the far left suddenly find out that they are Labour now. A fair proportion of them are openly hostile to Jews. The dividing line between it being right wing Jewish governments (though I can't think of many left wing ones) and it being a Jewish racism is a fair question...and it always comes down to the individual concerned. Israel is by definition an ethno state. It's very existence rings bells within much of left wing ideology. You should just be honest. I'm not on here saying that Labour is antisemitic because I don't believe it is. But it has antisemitism in its support base at much higher levels than anywhere else. It's a problem within all parties. I looked into the EDL and I have no problem with their mission statement at all. However, when you look at the kind of people turning up for rallies.....I question the point of rallies as a positive thing anyway.....But when you look at who that message is emboldening you just start to despair. The EDL contains people within it who want to attack people...and it destroys the whole thing.....They should just be a 'think tank' in my view. I don't want to go hitting people around the head, thank you very much. That's the entire point of me worrying about this issue in the first place. As an extreme comparison It's the same as a communist, who believes in the principles, but then sees Stalin as the result. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 11.48am)
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Stirlingsays 30 Sep 17 11.50am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If the Israeli right-wing and far-right Religious types had been a little less zealous in stealing others' land and pursuing policies of prejudice I do wonder sometimes if the world would be a little bit more peaceful now. A lot of bother all over today has its nascence from Middle Eastern politics and that most definitely includes Israel's. Errrr...context Kermy....You know....like the holocaust and loads of smaller issues. The creation of Israel is a huge and complex story.....fairness is in none of it...neither for the Jews nor Palestinians. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 11.51am)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Sep 17 11.52am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm loving the minimalisation stuff. Everyone and their dogs knows what's happened to Labour. Corbyn comes in and the membership surges as the far left suddenly find out that they are Labour now. A fair proportion of them are openly hostile to Jews. The dividing line between it being right wing Jewish governments (though I can't think of many left wing ones) and it being a Jewish racism is a fair question...and it always comes down to the individual concerned. Israel is by definition an ethno state. It's very existence rings bells within much of left wing ideology. You should just be honest. I'm not on here saying that Labour is antisemitic because I don't believe it is. But it has antisemitism in its support base at much higher levels than anywhere else. It's a problem within all parties. I looked into the EDL and I have no problem with their mission statement at all. However, when you look at the kind of people turning up for rallies.....I question the point of rallies as a positive thing anyway.....But when you look at who that message is emboldening you just start to despair. The EDL contains people within it who want to attack people...and it destroys the whole thing.....They should just be a 'think tank' in my view. I don't want to go hitting people around the head, thank you very much. That's the entire point of me worrying about this issue in the first place. As an extreme comparison It's the same as a communist, who believes in the principles, but then sees Stalin as the result. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 11.48am) A fair proportion? Over half? 100? What a s*** argument. What amount or percentage?
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Kermit8 Hevon 30 Sep 17 11.58am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
One of the worlds great ironies. It is very odd yes considering. However, when some folk believe they are the righteous ones they won't hesitate to use bullying force and brutal tactics to confirm to themselves just how righteous they are. The only difference between Israeli extremists - they steal, they shoot - and numerous terrorists groups is that the former are state-sanctioned and deemed to be legal in Tel Aviv and protected whilst the western world Governments look on and shrug and the latter are not. Things will only get better if the centre-Left get back into power via coalition in the Knesset. Though they - the 'righteous' - killed the last PM who tried.
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Stirlingsays 30 Sep 17 11.59am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
A fair proportion? Over half? 100? What a s*** argument. What amount or percentage? Silly question more like....like your denial of it. I don't know, why am I required to put some number on it...this isn't a research paper it's an opinion forum. I've already showed you blatant examples from actual past candidates....One still in the party....what you think they were in some kind of weird vacuum do you? Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 12.00pm)
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Kermit8 Hevon 30 Sep 17 12.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Errrr...context Kermy....You know....like the holocaust and loads of smaller issues. The creation of Israel is a huge and complex story.....fairness is in none of it...neither for the Jews nor Palestinians. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 11.51am) No excuse for stealing land already with Palestinian families living there 70 years later because some fabled book apparently gives them the right to do it. Plus, the hard Right who perhaps don't even believe in Jehovah still encourage it for their own racist ends. As Hrolf said - irony is everywhere.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Sep 17 12.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Silly question more like....like your denial of it. I don't know, why am I required to put some number on it...this isn't a research paper it's an opinion forum. I've already showed you blatant examples from actual past candidates....One still in the party....what you think they were in some kind of weird vacuum do you? Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 12.00pm) That's like me saying a fair proportion of the population of Wisbech like the edl manifesto and become annoyed when black athletes have the gall to speak out against injustice whilst thinking trolls like Milo are great.
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Stirlingsays 30 Sep 17 12.12pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
That's like me saying a fair proportion of the population of Wisbech like the edl manifesto and become annoyed when black athletes have the gall to speak out against injustice whilst thinking trolls like Milo are great. Stop calling a mission statement a manifesto. I've never read their manifesto. Yep, Milo is great (over some things) and NFL athletes are misguided virtue signallers. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 12.12pm)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Sep 17 12.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Stop calling a mission statement a manifesto. I've never read their manifesto. Yep, Milo is great (over some things) and NFL athletes are misguided virtue signallers. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Sep 2017 12.12pm) Then wisbech has a fascist sympathiser problem. What is the Mayor of Wisbech doing about it? It's a national disgrace. In fact, anyone who has been to Wisbech should be tarred with the same brush.
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