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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 21 Apr 17 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
What were you looking at out of interest? True they have higher debt than us, but not by much and it's been growing a lot less quickly than our debt. This means that they have a lower deficit than we do. I will upload a household debt chart in a minute as HOL won't let me upload 2 at once. Graphical confirmation of France's deficit vs ours. Attachment: France UK deficit.PNG (112.35Kb)
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 21 Apr 17 12.59pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
In 2015 he said in an interview: “I think we should talk about what the objectives of the party are, whether that’s restoring Clause Four as it was originally written or it’s a different one. But we shouldn’t shy away from public participation, public investment in industry and public control of the railways.” But his leadership rival Liz K That doesn't support your point.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Apr 17 1.00pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
What do you mean by "truly socialist"? I'd describe France as a socialist economy and despite what you might read in the press you're more likely to be in work in France than you are in the US. Standards of living in France are generally good and quality of life is good. They have higher levels of productivity than we have and it's a much more egalitarian society. France does have it's problems but you'd be wrong to say it has failed miserably, and the poor have become poorer. The poor in France are much less poor than the poor in the UK.
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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Apr 17 1.00pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
But he doesn't do it alone does he, and when has any policy been made that everyone agrees with? Are you currently working?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Apr 17 1.01pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
From a British Heart Foundation report: "The financial cost of mental ill health to British in addition "Sickness absence costs UK businesses an estimated £29bn each year" and "The report calculates that the overall cost to employers of replacing staff in the UK is £4.1bn a year."
How much of that is p1sstaking, not fancying it, or not wanting to use holiday to go and watch nativity plays, sports day, Palace play away up north midweek? When you've worked in office professional jobs this is alien to many but see what goes on in low skilled workplaces and it opens your eyes to where I bet a lot of those costs losses come from. You then get a one reason why they are therein low skilled work. Btw I believe people should be paid to be able to live, and someone has to do the jobs I'd rather not. What's the cost of addressing mental health? Got to be high.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Apr 17 1.04pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
That chart is household debt.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 21 Apr 17 1.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
What do you mean by poor? My father died when I was 5, I grew up in the 70s. Single parent family with a widow's pension. I have worked since I was 11. We had few of the equivalent luxuries that now mean you are considered poor if you don't have them. I also lived through the 3 day week yar de yar de yar you know the story decline of textiles, mining and steel etc Maggie came along just before I was finishing school. The Tories helped make me believe that I could do better, that I could achieve something. So I had to move, so what? What a lot of people on the left fail to realise is that the Tories have been aspirational. That's not to say they haven't made huge mistakes or f***ed people over at times but generally the appeal to many working people is the fact that they can make better. e.g. Mondeo man Before you start thinking I am a tory boy, I have actually only voted Conservative 3 or 4 times, I tend to be centre right in outlook. The last few elections I have voted Lib Dem, historically where my family have politically been. Below 60% of median income is considered the poverty line. That's around 13-14m people.
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steeleye20 Croydon 21 Apr 17 1.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Because of their helping hand everywhere all through life France's debt is rising and rising, when I last looked a couple of years ago. All of us are up to the ears in debt I think isn't that how the USA functions. From my times in Europe I would say that europpeans generally have a good social model and the angst and stress of being constantly poor is not the burden it is here nor is Europe itself an issue at all. People seem relaxed and sure of themselves and confident they will be ok. Its not about politics really as left and right leaning govts. don't have a problem with people's taxes paying for their welfare whereas here there is always the ideological problem with the tories belief that they are masters.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 21 Apr 17 1.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
That chart is household debt. I've provided 3 different charts. One is government debt.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 21 Apr 17 1.12pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
That doesn't support your point. Clearly it does.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 21 Apr 17 1.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But he doesn't do it alone does he, and when has any policy been made that everyone agrees with? Are you currently working? I'm sitting at my desk right now but it's a slow week due to most people being off for Easter! I enjoy the debating. Also I can't debate on social media and most of my friends share similar views. I'd also rather have the discussion with Palace fans than a bunch of trolls somewhere random on the net.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 21 Apr 17 1.17pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Clearly it does. You said he wants to reinstate clause IV. The quote you gave didn't say that! He's also not done it.
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