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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 02 Jan 18 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Or Churchill 'Oh Dear'
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Jan 18 1.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
'Oh Dear' Did you support UKIP. We've seen what their sort are like in that article. They all murder people. You terrible man.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Jan 18 1.08pm | |
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In fact, one could blame the death of an innocent woman on the Cult of Farage (he has a lot of followers) after all the murderer stood for parliament to be a representative of Farage.
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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jan 18 1.17pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Or Churchill No.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Jan 18 1.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No. Yes. A brilliant leader in wartime to whom who we owe an enormous debt of gratitude, he brought us Victory against Nazis and fascists (wonder what he'd make of Farage) but was also a c***.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jan 18 1.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
When I say allowed to exist....I mean allowed to express a view...as in the discussion we were having. As for 'Were' a threat? It's understood that when we talk about far left and far right we are covering a huge amount of ground. The groups therein have differing implications for democracy. But essentially I agree that opinions that don't call for physical violence and knowingly libel others aren't the business of the state. Though I think there is a grey area around calling for violence and promoting causes and ideologies that feed into violence. We see a problem with this in the US where rhetoric that doesn't explicitly call for violence does feed into prejudice and hate crimes. Whilst calling someone an abomnation to god, for example, isn't explictly stating violence should be pursued, it would be a stretch to say it isn't inciting violence (esp from Religious groups, given that such an affront to god is something to be 'destroyed'). Of course, it would need to be proven in a court of law that there was a direct threat, and that use of such language correlated with attacks, to a reasonable level, or malicious intent and a connection between the speaker and the perpetrator. It cannot just be explict threats of violence, veiled threats need to be considered to. We should be free to speak, but not free from the consequences of those statements.
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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jan 18 1.33pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Yes. A brilliant leader in wartime to whom who we owe an enormous debt of gratitude, he brought us Victory against Nazis and fascists (wonder what he'd make of Farage) but was also a c***. I know what he would make of you.
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Kermit8 Hevon 02 Jan 18 1.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Not believing in democracy is not a crime. I do not believe that people should be able to encourage breaking the law but banning people for political beliefs outside of that is not desirable. It is a difficult one. The National Party in SA was a political one but was fed by its own overt absolute and true racist policies. Practically everything they did screamed 'crime' from elsewhere yet was legal on their own turf. Should extreme far-left and far-right groups who would happily engage in pogroms and/or deny basic human rights to others be given dignity with the label of Or maybe they should be called out for what they really are, not so different to Salafist/Wahhabi killers, and denied the necessary figurative oxygen to exist which would include their freedom of public expression and speech/propaganda. It would be interesting to hear someone argue for the lifting of the ban on the Nazi Party in Germany, for example, as on the surface the banning seems entirely rational but for those who don't agree with such stifling it would be good to know their view on this.
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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jan 18 1.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It is a difficult one. The National Party in SA was a political one but was fed by its own overt absolute and true racist policies. Practically everything they did screamed 'crime' from elsewhere yet was legal on their own turf. Should extreme far-left and far-right groups who would happily engage in pogroms and/or deny basic human rights to others be given dignity with the label of Or maybe they should be called out for what they really are, not so different to Salafist/Wahhabi killers, and denied the necessary figurative oxygen to exist which would include their freedom of public expression and speech/propaganda. It would be interesting to hear someone argue for the lifting of the ban on the Nazi Party in Germany, for example, as on the surface the banning seems entirely rational but for those who don't agree with such stifling it would be good to know their view on this. The problem is that any interpretation of what should be allowed is subject to bias and potential abuse. Also, historically, morality has been flexible depending on circumstances.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Jan 18 1.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I know what he would make of you. Go on...
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elgrande bedford 02 Jan 18 2.04pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Or Churchill Are you really comparing Churchill and Blair......ha ha ha.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Jan 18 2.07pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Are you really comparing Churchill and Blair......ha ha ha. No.
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